Global warming

Well that's it over then. Let's tell the UN a guy from kildare has a graph.

There weren't too many humans surviving in those ancient warm periods, nor much of our wide variety of food plant or animals. Global weather in those periods was also extremely volatile. The main causes then was massive volcanic activity.

Comedy gold. Thanks for making my morning,

This is accurate; biodiversity, loss of species and habitat is the real threat to a large chunk of humanity and our food chain, rather than transient atmospheric gas composition.

As a species, we have existed on this planet for 0.005% of its history and the atmosphere and environment has varied wildly, even in our short presence. Look after food locally and the atmosphere will take care of itself.

These areas in red are turning to desert, largely because of mismanagement by humans.

They are brittle environments that have been damaged by overgrazing and excessive tillage of the soil.

But, if humans chose to manage for recovery and regeneration of the local flora and fauna, plus livestock, they could improve food security and extreme weather resilience, while sequestering carbon and restoring local microclimates. It's a win for biodiversity, the local communities, and the planet.

If you go back further there are larger swings up and down however core samples taken show we are speeding the process up.

The real problem is that there is no coherent plan, green energy is made from many non recyclable parts, it requires rare earth metals from the third world extracted in the dirtiest ways then shipped through multiple countries for assembly before reaching its destination where it needs concrete which its production is one of the world’s dirtiest industries. Then you have the EU shutting down farms in the name of the environment while importing meat from half way around the world.

The whole thing is a mess and there is no real sustainable plan from anyone.

The EU have shut down farms, where? Do you know Ireland exports meat and dairy all around the world too, are you also against this?

If Green energy is dirty, what do you think about the oil and gas industry? Ever seen fracking, tar sands etc.? Or the absolute state of the Niger Delta from oil?

Oh and whatever you're posting messages on has those rare Earth metals in it too.

so what? is that going to stop the place flooding, overheating etc?

They are making farmers reduce the number of pigs they can keep to reduce emissions. We'll face the same soon enough as we are an exporter, it a one size fits all policy that is counter intuitive.

What is it with deniers and context free link dumps.

“Farmers express fury at government drive to tackle nitrogen pollution through a major reduction in numbers of pigs, cattle and chickens in the Netherlands”

cuts have consequences.

Yes they're one of the biggest exporters in the world of food, top 5 anyway, much of the veg on our shelves in Ireland comes from there. I'm not really sure what options they have but to curtail production somewhat if it's going to turn the whole country into toxic waste.

Trust the Ice Core data

It won’t stop these things happening elsewhere as the gap in the market will be filled. It will drive up food prices if one of the largest producers cuts production. You can bet the Chinese market won’t cut production.

This is the problem with most of these policies, they just move the industries to another part of the world with less standards and controls, meaning lower food and environmental standards in these places that don’t control these things at all.

This is my major gripe with most of these policies, they move the problem elsewhere and make it worse and more expensive for everyone. Then there’s a situation like Ukraine and the systems created can’t adapt as they are dependent on external factors. It’s like we’ve learned nothing from the Russian gas situation.

(5) How to green the world's deserts and reverse climate change | Allan Savory - YouTube

Excellent 20 minute video and he really makes the point well.

So, disallow NGO's going to 3rd world countries that encourage breeding, like anything sponsored by the RCC? Without population reduction worldwide, everything else is deck chairs on the Titanic.

There's something like 42 times the CO2 trapped in the oceans than in the atmosphere. Imagine if just a small percentage of that is emitted due to warming.

Been pushing this for pages and pages now. Savory does not have the data to back up his actual hypothesis and he's been pushing it for three decades. If the science actually aligned with his claims, it would be pursued but it doesn't.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/355286215_A_holistic_view_of_Holistic_Management_What_do_farm-scale_carbon_and_social_studies_tell_us

Cool, so you can't demonstrate any tangible impact on global warming? Yep I'm inclined to say, follow the science. And we already know for a fact that humans can have a severe impact on the planet. The hole in the ozone layer, resolved by following the science and it's provable. Meanwhile the Savory institute, no evidence after 30 years...

Also the infatuation certain posters have with trans people is wild.... Discussing global warm and your claimed solution but instead of demonstrating proof of it having an impact, reject the science and go on a tangent.

The hole in the ozone layer has been shrinking thanks to a global effort to eliminate CFCs

I'm sure you can send many links provided by the Savory institute. He does deny you can empirically prove the method reduces global warming etc. That's pretty much the default argument for something that has very little scientific basis. Meta analyses of multiple papers have found little to no basis for it. So I'd prefer to follow peer reviewed research of which there is plenty on this area.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309589057_Holistic_management_-_a_critical_review_of_Allan_Savory's_grazing_method

Pointless. If there's more food, there'll be more people.

Doesn't matter how you accomplish it, things will only get worse as the population increases