Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

TBF You were too busy demonising Israel to actually condemn this mornings butchery against them.

What a shock!

Obviously not but only one side is held responsible, even is this thread theres folks much more concerned with blaming Israel than even contemplating critiqing Hamas.

Hamas themselves have just handed Gaza to Israel and signed the death warrants of many Palestinians.

And how the f@ck do you think they will achieve that aim without wiping out significant number of Palestinians?

Have you witnessed the IDF butchers in action? They are an indiscriminate killing machine be it so called terrorists, or innocent Palestinian children, journalists, nurses, the list goes on.

Because I have no interest in your whataboutery attempting to deflect away from what they have done/are currently doing.

Stance understood why you are so desperate to deflect.

There is little point responding to such posters. He / she has already ignored various posts that point this out. In their world view Israel are blameless. Any post that is pro Israel will be quoted the rest are ignored. if this seemingly never ending cycle of violence is to end two things need to happen, the Hamas Leadership in exile really needs to pay a price. This uprising would not be happening without their say so. Also America needs to start putting real pressure on Israel to negotiate a solution The former might happen, the latter sadly won't.

Yes ignoring whataboutery is bad for the agenda at play.

I think those who witnessed what they did to Gaza in 2014 would take issue with you. It takes some level of pro Israel sychophancy to use the word 'nice' in any sentence with the 'IDF'.

I won't pretend to know a lot about the conflict, but history tells us, the stronger the initial Palestinian attack, the more ferocious the Israeli reprisal.

All I can come up with as regards Hamas's thinking on today's attack, is that Hamas will goad the IDF into such a bloodthirsty response that other middle eastern countries feel obliged to lend support, leading to all out war in the Middle east. Hence a better chance for Hamas to achieve a whole Palestinian independent state and wipe Israel off the map.

I read that last paragraph back at it sounds ludicrous enough to be a bad action movie. But it's the Middle East so who knows.

I can't help but feeling, that if you took the leadership from both sides out of the decision making and put 20 regular Israelis and 20 regular Palestinians in a room to negotiate, you'd have a workable peace plan in a couple of months.

Another day , Another war .

Definitely unexpected but I get the feeling this won't be over in a few days it will be interesting to see if Hamas showcases some new found weapons last time around it was Russian antitank weapons,that they had some initial success with,but Israel has updated it's defence systems on its tanks and other vehicles.

I don't have a in depth knowledge of this conflict (I doubt many here do) but I cannot see any strategic reason for Hamas to take this action this morning. Their behaviour has certainly lost them support at least among Western nations but I doubt that matters to them.

The only reason that I can think they've taken this route is in order to create chaos. They weren't getting anywhere so lashing out and throwing all the cards in the air seems to me that it's a hope that that through the unpredictability of war things might break favourably for them. I doubt it.

Israel won't show much restraint in their counterattack and given the barbarity on show this morning I doubt many western nations will be trying to hard to hold them to account.

Seriously depressing development that will inevitably end with Palestinian deaths outnumbering Israeli deaths by about 50:1, but Hamas don't seem to care about this, let the women and children pay the price as long as they kill a few Israelis along the way.

Which is not to excuse Israeli oppression either. Both sides are awful.

Would be better if the whole backwards region was just gone

Hard to move on when your classed as sub human by your “neighbor” who continues to encroach and plant on the little resource poor land you have left.

Maybe they wanted a boost in popularity? Strategically this is just outright suicide, and most of the terrorists having fun today will be shortly wiped out and Gaza wiped out and returned to Israel.

So maybe Hamas are banking on the inevitable bloodbath Israeli counter attack to provide them with more recruitment material and promote their victimhood mentality?

Theres nothing to be gained whatsoever otherwise.

The Israelis are taking heavy losses in people and equipment, Hamas has literally walked into Israeli bases on the border unopposed