Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Israeli media reports 400 dead and 2000 injured

I condemn hamas/Iran both want and celebrate this as gaza is a fermenting ground it needs to be levelled

Lots of Palestinians enjoy a quality life in Israel only those brainwashed want to continue the fight despite been offered supports from the west.

They have used a new level of brutality in this invasion so may they reap as they sow

Once the battle enters destroyed built up areas the tanks and modern equipment will be less effective. Hamas could do a lot of damage then.

It is undeniably distressing and morally reprehensible when any group, such as Hamas, chooses to engage in the kidnapping and killing of innocent civilians. These actions not only violate basic principles of humanity but also undermine any legitimate cause or grievance that may be raised.

Palestinian children have grown up in an environment marred by violence and instability, witnessing the loss of their loved ones and the destruction of their communities. They went wild when they got a chance to enter Southern Israel.

The Russian/Ukraine conflict has demonstrated the significant impact of drone technology on modern warfare.Considering the advancements made by Iran in this field, it is intriguing to ponder the potential damage they could inflict on the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF). It is indeed perplexing that Israel would miss an attack of this magnitude. One can't help but wonder if their intelligence capabilities are truly lacking or if there is another underlying reason behind their oversight.

Last time it was tunnel's with lads armed with Russian anti tank weapons taking out Israeli vehicles from tanks to jeeps, I'm sure they have other suprises instore,but at the same time the Israelis learnt their lessons too most of there armour has trophy defence systems to protect against anti tank weapons and RPGs though didn't see any active yesterday when they destroyed several merkava tanks and APCs

When you look at the alternative options for the Hamas I think it is understandable why they've taken this option. As they said, "enough is enough." If they carried on down the same road they'll be wiped out anyway. Israel have made it clear their ultimate goal is to wipe out Palestinians. The international community don't care and aren't going to step-in.

At some stage you jave to fight for your survival, even if the risk is speeding up your own demise.

As well as the German woman they were celebrating killing they appear to have captured or killed a British security guard from the same festival.

Wonder how likely other countries outside Israel will be to help against the terrorists given their citizens are being brutalized aswell?

Hamas surely have a lot of anti tank weapons, anti aircraft probably.

This wasn't planned in a day and only for a day.

Well it is a war. If a german or British citzen was in gaza now they would get killed by isrealbomb.. But wait tourism not allowed into gaza because isreal blocks it..the world should stop visiting isreal for same reason as is unsave. If you go to a place that commits war crimes it is likely to be attacked.

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That is for the Arab Street, the mujihadeen taking war booty, possessing them with their right hand etc.

In accordance with the teaching of the prophet, showing how they are following the examples of Mohamed, and that is why they had success.

They couldn't give a shi7 what their poodles in the West think.

Yes, it looks like the Israelis knew exactly what had going to occur and literally left the back door open intentionally.

Interesting take from an Israeli journalist on it here

Look at it from their point of view. It's part of God's plan, against the eternal and ancient enemy, the people of Khyber, ie the Jews. It marks Hamas as the vanguard of the prophet.

If you are ignoring the religious reasons and commands for their actions, you will never have a feel for why they do what they do.

The scenes yesterday were completely for the Islamic world, how it plays with those who in the West who support Palestinian statehood is of no concern to them.

When they attacked Bataclan in Paris lots of people on the left made excuses for it, talking about oppression in Palestine, the war in Iraq etc.

They ignored the reasoning of the men who did it, talking about their anger at live music, drinking, single women mixing with men etc.

750 missing and 600 dead and whackadoodles think it was all allowed as a black op.

I was always very pro Palestine until Hamas gained control from Fatah. I probably still am, but I think both sides have a right to exist in peace. There is nothing I can add to this thread only to say I pray for the innocents caught up on both sides of this conflict. There will be no winners here, its just horrific.