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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,624 ✭✭✭wassie


    Porsche Taycan 4S Cross Turismo takes on the Aussie Desert over 5000km......now that's range anxiety.

    Was listening to this journalist on podcast about this trip. The challenge was to do it on a showroom car - including factory wheels. They did have a couple of support vehicles (for all of the video production) which carried a few spare tyres, but they never got a flat.

    A lot of planning went into scheduling charging stops, particularly it the outback where charging could be several hundred kms apart.

    Porsche also published a series of articles on the trip.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Some people bring up that the model Y is unrepairable.

    Below is the Model Y front chassis leg including the crash (crumple zone) structure: It's made of steel and bolts on to the gigacasting which is right behind it. Ahead of the crash structure is horizontal crash bar behind the front bumper. All of the bolts straight on and no special tools are needed. Once the crash is severe enough to start to deform (the much stronger than steel I should mention) the inner wing structure the car is well and truly a write off.

    Image by courtecy of this video:

    (https://youtu.be/dyde8G7mp-4?si=Hn9q-6jwWXesPYPU)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,746 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    My insurance went down 20% (in or around 100 beans) by moving to a Tesla.

    No penalty whatsoever, in fact the opposite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I think it would be foolish to discount the practice of price walking in the insurance industry, which is as alive and well today as any other time.

    My renewals are typically 10-15% higher than going in as a new business quote with the same company. As a result, I go in as a new customer every time

    Pricing in insurance is supposedly based on the risk and costs of repair or replacement, but half the time the prices seem to be picked from thin air

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭September1


    Which EV did you have earlier?


    Increased cost of repairs could be also possible explanation.

    There are many garages that do panel repairs, it is replacement that is problem. Good to hear that Carcraft handles that, I must have missed this info on the group. However I think one thing is us repairing cars and another is insurance route.


    I think it is repairable, I think there could be some untypical solutions by Tesla that for now scare away various garages from getting authorization from Tesla or even handling independent work. I wonder if there are any body parts that Tesla would not sell to independent garages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,822 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    One potential elephant in the room re Tesla insurance.

    Is people sitting into a much more powerful car then they ever had before.

    Like going from a 2.0 TDI 150 to a Long range Model 3.

    Wouldn't be hard to imagine that NOT ending well if some drivers are careless.

    Would impact insurance rates.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,802 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I posted that a few days ago. Many don’t realise the power difference from their previous diesel/petrol generally speaking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,337 ✭✭✭CoBo55




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Was it not the case that Tesla parts came from the Netherlands and were delivered by the slowest means possible, if I was an insurer paying for a car rental or limited secured parking at a repairer I would not be happy.

    Add in the fact of brexit and paperwork on each part, who on earth would want the hassle of it.

    Its different for legacy supply chains, experience and volume.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,741 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Part true. My refurb battery shipped from the Netherlands to Tesla Sandyford via truck and boat because of weight and hazard presumably. That meant I had a Model X loaner - worth the guts of €100k - for almost 3 weeks. With free tolls and fuel too 😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭innrain


    I'm in over 4 weeks waiting for a headlamp from NL for a model3. It doesn't affect me that much as I have alternatives but if one would pay for a rental I can see the costs ramping up.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,802 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Took bmw 3 months to get my O2 sensor for the 530e. Ordered in Dec 22 and fitted in March 23.

    So no difference really.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    All Euro parts are centralised in NL and all sent to SC via surface mail only



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭September1


    It is a big difference, I think you missed point about insurance. It is very unlikely to to damage O2 sensor due to careless parking. This is completely different situation as this frustrates only BMW customer. If you don't mind me asking what car has BMW provided as replacement for those 3 months?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,802 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    No car.

    The car was still drivable in fairness. My comment was in response to the long wait time for parts.

    Post edited by Gumbo on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭penno




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,741 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Christ not that again. "The car just started driving off by itself, I swear".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,746 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Brought to you by Shell.

    Look over there pls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Meanwhile in Barack O’Bama Plaza….




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I heard there was one over doing promotions, guess that must be the one

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭mailforkev


    Good spot. Those Rivians are pretty nice, I had a poke around one over in California last year, quite a few of them driving around.

    The R1S (the non-pickup SUV version) was rarer on the roads but looked like the better option to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,741 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Don't show @ELM327 that Rivian. He'll be sick with envy 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,337 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    It's on the FB EV owners page, somebody has moved over here from the States and brought this with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,236 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Saw it on FB this morning. Between that and the lewis motors F150 being a fair bit out of budget (I think it will come down in time as he's building in a wedge of profit according to my maths), this has been a week filled with envy in the ELM327 house. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    There's also now a photo of a Lucid Air spotted in Jervis St. last weekend on fb... alongside an electric Mondeo...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,887 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Sounds like adaptive cruise control was on and he could not turn it off nor brake. It's very unlikely the brakes failed and the cruise control could not be turned off. Also holding the start stop button should turn off the car.

    I expect it's driver error, maybe a floor mat stuck under the brake pedal but the article is unclear on what was done to try stop car and how it was eventually turned off. Errors after the fact may be related to the crash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,236 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Some very interesting EVs around.

    I also reserved a Fisker Alaska in the case they ever sell to ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    More EV trucks (the articulated kind)

    Towards the end one of the prototypes was setting out on a longer range journey:

    -40 tonnes fully loaded

    -1,000km roundtrip

    -1 charging stop

    Electric trucks are here to stay 😁

    EDIT: I'm trying to put some cost comparison of an electric truck to a diesel one. Quick look at Google tells me a fully loaded truck consumes 30l/100km on average. At €1.85/l that's €55.50 for a 100km journey

    The Mercedes truck seems to consume 120kWh/100km fully loaded. Assuming they're paying Ionity subscription rate of €0.50/kWh that's €60 for the same journey

    Cost is comparable, but still not exactly a clear winner for the electric. I assume part of the sales pitch is that companies can charge them at their own depots at night for a cheaper price

    I can see an incentive of free tolls for trucks to help adoption. I also suspect there'll be a ULEZ proposed for Dublin at some point which electric trucks will get an exemption from

    There's also the V2G argument, but I'm not sure it sells as well for HGVs. A truck that's sitting idle is losing money, I imagine the likes of DHL will swap drivers and try to keep their trucks moving 24 hours if possible

    Post edited by the_amazing_raisin on

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,741 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Dublin bus finally deployed the first two BEV double deckers yesterday. Made in Ireland too! 350kWh usable, 150kW CCS charging, but they don't need to be charged during the day, just overnight at the depot





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,624 ✭✭✭wassie


    Looks like a much smoother ride when stopping and starting vs an oil burner.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Any idea of the purchase price of such an electric tractor unit ?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    I suppose a better metric would be how much more would the electric one be in %

    I'm sure a new truck is easily be well above 100K



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    No idea honestly, but I imagine there'll be a significant premium over a diesel tractor unit

    I suspect a lot of these will be sold to fleet customers before they take orders for independent haulers

    Most of those deals tend to keep the purchase price obscured to prevent other customers trying to replicate a good discount

    I also suspect that Mercedes will chuck in some extras, like free maintenance, to sweeten the deal. An electric truck should require considerably less upkeep so they're unlikely to lose money and will relieve any concerns the customer may have about new technology

    The point I'm making is that sometimes people see a deal like (just making up an example) DHL buying 100 electric trucks for €25 million

    Some higher lever maths tells you that's €250k per truck, which is probably a lot for a truck. Again, just to emphasise, I pulled those numbers out of thin air

    But when you dig into these deals you often see it includes things like driver and maintenance training, servicing costs over a number of years and perhaps installation of chargers at a bunch of locations

    Plus maybe a power purchase agreement with a Mercedes partner charging network

    Those are all considerable costs by themselves and make figuring out the true cost per unit very difficult

    Anyway, that's just my words of warning before any details of large truck purchases start coming out

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yeah I wonder if that'll have a knock on for driver health. Driving a truck is well know for being a very bad job for physical and mental health.

    Long hours, the need for constant concentration and sometimes living worse than a homeless person all combine to some pretty bad health outcomes

    It's part of the reason that not many younger people are taking it up as a profession, the money just isn't worth the hassle

    Driving a much quieter and smoother truck might take some of the stress out and improve driver health

    Hopefully the EU's new rules around charging networks might also have some guidelines for rest stops added on. They could really do with including proper lounge facilities for truck drivers to relax. Shower and changing rooms and maybe some exercise machines to combat the otherwise sedentary lifestyle would also be good

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,624 ✭✭✭wassie


    That Jay Leno video posted the other day on the Tesla truck really highlighted that for me just how effortless it was for the driver.

    Post edited by wassie on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Back on the insurance situation in the UK, thought this video was an interesting chat on the topic

    Seems insurers have lost a lot of money there over the past year and are trying to recoup it

    There's a lot of people in the comments talking about how all of there insurance has gone up by 30-40%. Doesn't seem EV related, it's a general increase across the board

    Hopefully it doesn't spread here. I did a quick quote there for my ID.4 and it's within €15 of when I renewed in January, so the situation seems stable for now

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭cannco253


    “Unlike other campers (or caravans) that rely on diesel heating and gas for cooking, the Mink-E is powered by electricity, which can be charged through its EV charging socket.

    That means that if you own an EV with vehicle-to-load capacity, like the current Kia EV6, you can effectively run the entire Mink-E set-up completely off-grid, for as long as the camper and EV’s batteries hold out”




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Slight correction to the article, the weight is 510kg, not grams

    If they'd managed to pack all that into half a kilogramme then those lads are wasted on campervans, they should be working for SpaceX 😂

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,741 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    510g for GBP30k

    That's more expensive than pure gold 😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    More expensive than pure heroin 😱

    At least, I assume it is... 😂

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Not strictly EV related but Volvo installing massive casting presses




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,624 ✭✭✭wassie


    These new casting techniques seem to offer a lot of advantages in reducing complexity and weight, which should in turn benefit the consumer with lower prices (assuming cost savings are passed on). But I do wonder what happens when these elements are damaged in an accident and can they be repaired economically or does the car become a write off?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,624 ✭✭✭wassie


    Reminds me of how over the last couple of decades passenger 4WD design migrated from a ladder chassis to monocoque design to relfect the fact the majority of these cars never (or very rarely) went off the blacktop.

    Big improvements in on-road handling and weight and hence fuel economy, but if you actually did use them in the rough stuff off road, they often suffered stress related damage and much more difficult (and costly) to repair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    For any of you that's interested, 2 minutes is the time for closing, squirting aluminium in under pressure, aluminium hardening and the opening and removal of the 500c casting, and repeat, every 2 minutes.

    The 8400 ton pressure is to keep the thing closed and to stop aluminium leaking out, enough force to stick to the roof in that picture, what does not stick falls down on you, its ok its just hot, not hot liquid.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Based on this video by Sandy Munro, the castings are less repairable but they are also much harder to damage. It's like any process there will always be a trade off between repairability and strength.




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    It was a good demo by Mr. Munro who went in the full rant mode as non-material-scientist folk were implying that the cast components would have less strength than the welded steel structures that they replaced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,176 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I love how Sandy, having gone to the trouble of putting on a full face visor, forgets to lower it half the time.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Yeah it's not an area I'm an expert in, but the fact that Geely are doing it via the Volvo brand gives me a high level of confidence, Volvo of all brands has the most to lose when it comes to a safety reputation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Bjorn versus The Sun (the rag newspaper, not the fiery orb in the sky)

    TLDR, the sun spliced footage from two of his videos and misrepresented a load of quotes to make it seem like the car ran out unintentionally

    Unsurprisingly, the whole thing is BS

    Bjorn pointed out that they didn't link to his channel at all so there's no easy way for any readers to confirm anything, and he also doesn't make any money because they chopped footage from his videos and hosted them on their site instead of linking to the originals

    So his strategy now is to make some money by trolling the sun, pretty funny response IMO

    I think most sane people realise the sun is an absolute garbage paper which invents 99% of their "articles". Pretty much everything on the site now is just reposting YouTube or Tiktok videos and some idiot contract reporter talking nonsense about it (probably for the equivalent of £1 per article)

    Unfortunately there's a strong cohort of people who believe the garbage and regurgitate this BS to others. Bit like how there's often posters drifting in here saying they read some article about how EVs are bad. Or maybe Mike down the pub told them about how he was reading up on this stuff, and since Mike can barely read it must have been serious

    Moral of the story, don't believe Mike and the sun is a rag. If you're visiting the sun website, ideally don't, but if you do then use an adblocker so they don't make any money from you 😁

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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