Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

One good thing about catastrophes is that they can leave you with nothing to lose. Years ago, I remember seeing footage of a Gazan whose mother had just been killed by an Israeli rocket strike. Yes, I deplore what the Israelis did here, he said, but why does our government fire missiles at them right next door to my house? I’m sure many Palestinian parents are quietly asking themselves what kind of future is Hamas planning for their children? Where are the jobs going to come from? Not everyone wants to get into the martyrdom business.

Palestine reveals its true face.

I hope it is now more widely understood what the Isrealis were resisting all along.

You think there's collusion ?

You badly need to read up on the history of Palestine and of Hamas whilst you are at it.

The origin of the problem as I see it is the Holocaust. The evil and unprecedented persecution of Jews by the Nazis led to the international community wanting to facilitate the creation of a Jewish state after WW2 . The land which the Jewish state was created on whilst British controlled was Palestinian land. This created a boil which could only be lanced by reversing history which isn't happening.

A huge problem is that Israel believes, with US backing that it can act with impunity against Palestinians. The irony of how Israel treats Palestinians is the echoes of the Nazi Germany. The Gaza strip is one big prison camp where living conditions are appalling. The relentless and illegal annexation of Palestinian lands, treating Israeli Palestinians like second class citizens and the general attitude of Netanyahu towards Palestine all serves to create a toxic mix.

It is no surprise Palestinians revolt against the horrific conditions imposed on them by Israel on land that was taken from them to create the state of Israel. People in desperate situations resort to desperate means to try to better their lot. I abhorr killing by all sides and violence rarely solves problems. Their is a lack of moderates on both sides for meaningful discussions to take place.

If the US was an honest broker it might reign in some of the Israeli excesses and may have prevented the illegal annexation of territories. The US is as much an impediment to a solution as the hardliners in the Israeli Government and Hamas on the Palestinian side.

What? Where are they going to go? Egypt won’t take them and I doubt the Saudis will either. The world has enough refugees already.

But will that involve welcoming a hostile population of 2.3m people (or 4.9m including the West bank) into the democracy of Israel. Israel has indicated they would never let that happen. There is no other country that will accept these people so not sure what the solution is.

You're dreaming mate.

Israel doesn't have that capability, and the US weren't even able to win a war in Afghanistan, for gods sake. The war in Ukraine is at a standstill, with Russia in charge of a huge chunk of the S and East.

IMO the US is overextended as things are, and another war could exhaust their economy. Biden will do nothing that would interfere with his chances of re-election next year, so it will be lots of verbals, lots of pics and videos of US military might but little serious action.

How fascinating that you know this, Mossad need to employ you, as they never even guessed that this attack was in the offing.

The US didn't run with there tails between their Legs from Afghanistan and Iraq,

Israel can't win in Gaza yeah No ,

But being what we have witnessed over the last 24 hours the massacres , rapes, beheading, desecration of dead women's Bodies and mass kidnapping your going to witness real violence nothing like we've seen since Isis, and I'm sure there will be some calling for peace and Talks safe and sound here in Ireland,but here's hoping the Israelis turn up the volume and and unleash everything in their arsenal for the next 6+ months,

Palestinian flags on twitter won't be saving anyone

If Turkey can persistently vote for an Islamicist eejit like Erdogan who thinks lowering interest rates reduces inflation, I’m afraid there’s also a hefty segment of Iranian society supporting the mullahs that we don’t hear about too much. Any attack by a foreign power is likely to rally centrist Iranians to the flag as well, as Saddam Hussein found out to his cost. More likely is an Azeri insurgency in the north discreetly supported by Turkey, Azerbaijan and Israel.

Your idea of restraint is clearly different to a normal human being's view of restraint. But it takes all sorts, so I'll say no more.