Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

So you are Irish but from the Balkans ?

Not giving them multiples of the EU average in free cash every week would be a start

We could see a new surge in Refugees from Palestine/Israel/Iran in the not too distant future.

Hopefully things de-escalate there, but I doubt it.

I agree it's more than generous but that's not what I was saying if you read my post ..

"The average cost of living in Ireland ($2343) is 328% more expensive than in Ukraine ($548). Ireland ranked 6th vs 168th for Ukraine in the list of the most expensive countries in the world. The average after-tax salary is enough to cover living expenses for 1.3 months in Ireland compared to 0.7 months in Ukraine."

One would think that a news outlet like The Sunday Business Post as quoted by the poster would be able to work out some simple maths , before publishing ?

Or was it just @Kermit.de.frog that was pulling that extrapolation out.....

Trust :

When is the last time, anyone here, heard an Irish politician use the phrase… ‘ temporary protection ‘ ?

aside from when seeking to extend it to 2025…?

the term isn’t and hasn’t been in vogue and hasn’t been in the everyday or semi regular vernacular of politicians for around 18 months or more.

forget residency, forget sending them home ‘with’ continuous social welfare…ffs… both unacceptable.

just offer them the assistance what was promised…. ‘ temporary protection ‘…

anything any politician tells you about immigration, protection, refugees etc… you can take with a seriously significant, pinch of salt now.… we have discovered this the hard way…

this current situation and the political handling of it and the politicians willful derogation of the wellbeing of their own citizens here AND our democracy shows politicians now here in NO way can be trusted.

their ideals will continue long after the current situation is resolved, if it’s ever resolved …. Refugees arriving will and has become almost an industry to certain business sectors here… an awful lot of cash to be made.. by some…. 💰💶🏧

we turn up, vote, but democracy… don’t feel like it…

if we can’t deal with the refugee situation responsibly and keep prioritising the wellbeing of our citizens , then we should have a zero refugee policy.

Why would they factor in cost of living when more or less everything one would spend money on is covered for the Ukrainians already?

In addition to their free cash being nearly double that of the next highest paying country in the EU

It's not at all reasonable - it’s completely over the top and is costing us billions

A teacher in Ukraine can make more money as a taxi driver .

Many of these rural towns have seen depopulation in recent decades, schools forced to close etc. The idea that Ukrainian people are nothing but a burden on these towns is open to debate. The protests in Inch, Co. Clare don't necessarily seem to be a typical experience. Didn't locals in Cahersiveen successfully campaign to stop Ukrainian people being moved out of their community this year?

We (as in Ireland) should do no such thing.

We can't even support the ones here now, let alone still more from this latest flash point.

Then there's the potential security issues it could cause unless we picked only one side to support - but even at that, looking at the thread here or posts on twitter, Irish support is split as well. It's not as straightforward as Ukraine from the looks of it.

I'm sympathetic to the civilians and innocents on both sides, but it's not our problem to solve or responsibility to deal with the fallout.

Not the point . And not the question I was raising or replying to .

I am replying to you

Again Read The ....... Post .

The original poster I replied to , was making a statement trying to make a correlation between an average salary in Ukraine ( questionable even at that , as @grumpyperson pointed out also ) and the allowance being granted in Ireland, saying this was the reason people would come to Ireland . I just pointed out that was mistaken premise , which it is , but you and and three other posters took exception to what is a factual statement .

The cost of living, as my link shows , in Ireland is multiples more than in Ukraine .

As I said I find their allowance more than generous here . I also mentioned the fact that they get food and accomodation also here .

It may be a contributing factor to them coming to Ireland as IPAs rather than other countries who are more frugal , I agree .

But saying it is so much more than the salary in a country where each euro will buy 328 times as much as in Ireland is just nonsense .

That was my point . Not the rest which you and others have repeated over and over again, to me , to others and on this thread , which I don't disagree with entirely , but don't necessarily feel I need to repeat again .

For sure, but thinking that western countries can simply make the problem 'go away' by passing new domestic laws is very naïve. The Brexit govt in the UK are talking about leaving the ECHR, as it that somehow will magically solve their refugee problem and stop people coming to their shores by dinghy - when all it will do is make the country even more right wing and authoritarian than it already is, without doing a thing to reduce immigration numbers.

There is going to have to be a collective effort on behalf of western countries using a lot of creative / nuanced thinking to try and address the refugee issue.