Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

There we go - well tell that to the poster then and don’t just go around saying it’s due to some Israelies being Jewish.

See now your having a conversation - congratulations.

how is israel not the root cause of all the problems? if they werent bulldozing homes on a daily basis and shooting protestors any time they dare to speak out do you think we'd be here today? they'd have no mandate if israel accepted the existence of Palestinians. maybe if israel could elect anyone who wasnt a rabid facist things would be a whole pile better.

Given the scale of the attack, the dead, injured and kidnapped. There will be very few in Israel who are not friends with or related to someone involved. Proportionally it is much bigger than 9 11.

Have you actually informed yourself on the facts around the history of this conflict.

You do realise that this area was a homeland to Jewish people going back centuries.

The Balfour agreement post ww1 gave Palestinians a separate state.

The United nations general assembly in 1948 established 2 states. Accepted by Jews rejected by Palestinians and neighbouring Arabs.

Israel was attacked by surrounding countries in 1948 including Palestinians. Israel won that conflict and yes took more land than originally granted. 850000 Palestinians displaced and Jewish people from neighbouring Arab countries entered Israel.

1967 israel attacked again in 6 day war by a coalition of Arab states.

Oslo accord 1993 established a pathway for peace between Palestinian Authority and Israel.

But no once again the pa were ousted by Palestinians and hamas elected. This same Hamas who 100% want the state of Israel destroyed.

Please spare me the crap all you lefties hand wringing free Palestine propaganda. You haven't a clue , just jumping on a tag line.

Same in 70's and 80's anti apartheid movement. Destroyed a country , look at what it is now.

Neither party is an angel in this conflict but people need to read the history before making black and white opinions.

I believe in the right of Palestinians to exist in peace in their own homeland as prescribed by UN in 1948.

That Palestinian state must also respect the right of Israel to exist without the threat of destruction and terrorism as a constant threat.

Some of this death and destruction could still be avoided.

Jews made up the smallest proportion of the population of Palestine before the Balfour declaration.

Almost all Zionists in Palestine were recent immigrants. A coordinated army of occupation.

The early Zionists forced the Balfour declaration by many acts of terrorism against the Arab population.

Finally the British had no right to gift lands that were not their own.

What would be the difference between Russians moving into Eastern Ukraine, being granted all the land there by the Russian State and putting the previous owners into massive open air prison camps and Russians moving to the Middle East, being granted all the land there by the Russian State and putting all the previous owners into a massive open air prison camp? In the former they will claim that their ancestors originated there a few hundred years ago. In the latter, they claim a few thousand years. Essentially the Israelis were granted their initial land by Western countries (British)

It's not really a hypothetical question. If you are a Russian you (depending on how the war goes) might indeed to be able to travel to Donbas and get land granted to you as a settler. If you are a Russian who is Jewish, you could also exercise your right to return and go to Israel and be allowed to settle on land that was just stolen from Palestinians in the very recent past.

I think both are wrong.

Israel has already responded forcefully. Some of the death and destruction can still be avoided.