PK@rte.ie (again). The All New (Patrick Kielty) Late Late Show Thread

They will only realise that the panel format does not work if they see a decrease in audience numbers, if they see an increase then the will continue with it.

I think it is the middle part that is the issue. The "one for all in the audience" and the "competition" are far too close together. IMO.

I feel both are tacked on by RTÉ more than by anything else.

I am sure things changed with the country music show so I won't review full, but I will take a look a next weeks show.

But honestly, I don't think new ideas are a bad thing. And I wouldn't really take much notice of people involved in The Toy Show the Musical. My major issue is where in TV does an executive go? It's not like RTÉ have many shows and they won't have many shows in the future. Maybe she has a podcast called "Nothing do to with the Toy Show the Musical".

I bypassed the Country show as I’ve no interest but appreciate it’s a crowd puller so yeah, seems to have been reasonably successful so that’s great- specials are fine but it’s the weekly show that needs the attention- we haven’t really seen what Kielty is capable of yet- it feels like he’s in a straight jacket, confined to just small talk, a few laughs and on to the next guest.

What I don’t know is, is this what Kielty wants or does he want something else?

Something better? To have a more deeper dive on topics or is this broad brush don’t offend or ask the difficult questions approach what TLLS will become defined as?

So is Kielty the puppet or the task master?

he does the BBC show live from Belfast but also has the option to broadcast for the BBC from the RTE studios.

maybe he is using the option to broadcasts from the RTE studios otherwise he would be wrecked with all the commuting.

that’s probably what enabled him to be at DUB on Saturday between 1-2PM

Ulster Fry 🙂

I'd argue don't listen to anyone in RTÉ, they've been found out and they have been coasting along for too long.

I mean I am splitting hairs but : -

I just don't think any one in RTÉ has much to offer or much experience.

Quoting from the above article

Beating heart of the show 🙄, if it is a real source I feel sorry for them that they think so highly of themselves.

I think the previous Tubridy version was terrible but in my view that was down to

1. Tubridy himself and
2. The constant obsession with and expansion of the misery slot

A significant % of the problems of TLLS went when Tubridy left

Hes been replaced by a supposedly good interviewer- so great, give him a chance to interview because currently he’s not been given that chance. If you throw the baby out with the bath water, TLLS will look like just any other entrainment show - you need to keep its secret sauce - but right now I think it’s becoming standard fare- it could be just any show - and that will kill TLLS if it ends up looking and sounding like that

I think there is a good chance TLLS is off the air in 5 years time. My elderly mother even said that it is time they got rid of it, and historically she wouldn't have missed it no matter what. She has complained about the guests, the awkward way the set is arranged, guests having to turn their heads, the spacing between the seats etc.

She's not happy! "Are they trying to be American or something?" said she. She hated Keilty's monologue on day one as well.

I agree, but I don't think older staff in RTÉ would agree with you on RT, I think they think the misery slot is the secret to a good late late show.

I think we can all agree that TLLS won't ever return to its heyday. PK2 has an opportunity to bring some of that magic back. And I think many feel he missed his opportunity with Frampton and with the CMO. Hopefully if he can he will pull those punches when the opportunity arises.

I also think they need to mix it up, the format should not be so rigidly structured.

Yes alot of the journos love the misery and political stuff too , that's why they going crazy with kielty because he is not satisfying them, they don't have anything to write about if there is no misery. They can't exactly write that they had a good laugh at the 2 johnies.

The older demographic like the misery too because it is probably more relevant to them than it is to a younger demographic but when they were young they liked gay Byrne not for misery but for entertainment. Kielty needs to keep going in that direction and ignore the begrudgers and the misery junkies

Why not, I'd argue that it is Irish Country and Western Music which is a completely different genre to C&W.

I think that RTÉ could have got a big name American C&W person for the special but instead went and spend all their money on Donie.

I'd argue that Gay Byrne was doing healthy debates not the misery slot, I don't ever really remember Gay Byrne interviewing someone about a horrific death in the family, this misery slot came from Kenny Live.

I was trying to decide if your word “exploitative” was a bit OTT- considering TLLS has become a massive commercial enterprise as opposed to a significant public service broadcast, in that vein, I’d have to agree with you

It was worse than that, they paid him not to come .

I just finished watching Gay Byrnes Late Late Moments on the RTE Player and I have to say looking back on his guest list over the many years was a revelation. The whole format was just open to everyone without scripted dialogue. Gay was a master at opening the floor up not just to his guests but to the audience on the night. Anything went. When P.K took up the reigns I felt that was the beginning of the end for what was a National institution.