Will Andy Farrell get the adoration Jack Charlton got?

Player with access to better coaching improves his chances of playing professionally, shocker.

You clearly have quite a chip on your shoulder with these embittered rants

You’re trying to make this into a social standing/classism thing with the schools and “access” to professionalism - it’s nothing about attending the “right” school that gets you picked. The preponderance of private schools players in Irish professional rugby is simply explained by the fact that these schools have decades longer traditions of playing the sport than most others and focus heavily on it.

Plenty of private schools that are useless at rugby - their players don’t get to play either, because they’re not very good.

If you’re good enough you play, regardless of your background or whatever.

Fair enough I don't know much about Farrell's personality, but if he ends up being more adored than Jack Charlton fair dues to him. What it the phrase Keith Wood says?

'It's a tough ask'.

Like most Irish fans I ignore most games but watch all the big ones, and I couldn't tell you a single thing about Farrell beyond him being English and his son being a current player.

He may well be charismatic in person, but he certainly doesn't transcend his sport in any way whatsoever.

FYI the 6 nations that Ireland won earlier in the year, a Grand Slam, is the equivalent of the European Championships in soccer terms. As close as you can get because it is a yearly tournament and the Euro's are every 4 years, but it's the best teams in Europe against each other.

Unfortunately people close to Rugby in Ireland don't really realise how small it is as a global sport. It is way down the pecking order compared to Baseball, soccer, Basketball, Cricket and many other sports that have far bigger audiences and much higher numbers of professionals competing. Ireland have done really well due to our excellent structure but the elite club game is really struggling in Wales, Australia, Scotland and even South Africa. Even if we win I can't see Farrell getting the same adulation as Charlton.

Basketball: 57 world cups = 7 winners

Baseball: 39 world cups = 9 winners (Cuba with 25 wins!)

Soccer I already did

Cricket: 12 World cups = 6 winners

The audience numbers have nothing to do with how hard it is to be world #1 at something!

All these "global" sports you mention are just as niche as you claim Rugby to be once you actually look at the stats and see which and how many countries dominate.

Its like some people are afraid that liking Rugby will damage Soccer.

They won a 6 nations. Reaching a semi would be an achievement, reading a final would be incredible.

Ireland needs to get past the qtr's and see what happens then

We don’t have a good history in the Workd Cup, if we did we could get cocky but we dont

so yes to get taken semi would be an achievement, once we get that far who knows what will happen

injuries alone could scupper our chances

Soccer is a much bigger sport than rugby union and Charlton was a far bigger name than Farrell pre Irish job and much more charismatic figure so no not even if they win the World Cup.

Also, most rugby players wouldn't be suited to playing soccer and most soccer players wouldn't be suited to rugby - so it's a bit unfair to compare the two. This would still be the case if rugby was played in every working class area in Ireland.

Reaching the QF is no achievement.

It would have been an absolutely epic failure had they not.

That's not how sport works

You see that's a competitive sport , Belgium number 2 in the world didn't get to the final 16. In a sport that only 10 teams play we have never got past the last 8 , hopefully we do this weekend but comparing it with soccer is just plain stupid

Looking at winners only is a false narrative as to a sports strength. Why not list the Quarter Finals of competitions and look at the difference. How many times is it the status quo? How many new teams are there?

Anyway I have yet to see a cogent argument in this thread as to why Farrell WILL get the adoration Charlton received. I think there should be a poll or something on it.

I guess it would be about 80 to 20 against Farrell getting that level of adoration?

In what way? It's noticeable that there has been very little transitioning between professional players who have played rugby and those who play soccer, certainly after the age of 16 or so. Rugby is all about sheer physical strength and ball handling skills : soccer more about speed and footwork. Also, the vast majority of soccer players are under 6ft in height.

The claim was 74% of the starting team in 1990 was born in Ireland which was nonsense.

Of the starting 11, 6 born outside of Ireland when I checked. No response since this was pointed out

You appear to have missed the point.

Brazil may have gotten knocked out by Croatia, but damn sure before the tournament they weren't telling themselves that the quarter finals would be a good achievement. And damn sure after the tournament they weren't telling themselves that they just got unlucky.

They will have went there expecting to win the damn thing.

If the number one side in the world doesn't think they are actually the best team and expect to win then they should **** off back to amateur sport with the rest of the also rans.

If a soccer fan went to a rugby match and behaved like how a "real sports fan" does (i.e use industrial language and try to show some passion for the sport), then they would be arrested and paraded around on the 6.01 news for being a hooligan.

How to tell everyone you have never gone to a rugby watch without telling everyone you have never gone to a rugby match

FYI, you don't need to use "industrial language" to show passion for a sport, any sport. If you think the best fans are the ones who curse the most then you really haven't a clue how to support any sport

Again I refer to the previous advice, I suggest you should do a little research. Start with the AIL and all the locations which have team. You are only showing your ignorance on the topic by mentioning South County Dublin.