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Is there any reason left not to go smart meter?

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    #452
    paulbok
    Registered Users Posts: 4,937 ✭✭✭paulbok


    I wonder if this is the start of suppliers rowing back on fit payments now everyone will soon be on smart metres and no deemed payments to fork out?

    If they do, I'll definitely be expanding my storage. A DIY job or even adding a second off the shelf battery. It'll take a long time to get a ROI on an off the shelf one, but as my initial install is now looking at 4 years for full payback compared to the initial 8-9 it is somewhat acceptable. Though getting up to 12-15kWh on DIY would be appealing.



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    #453
    championc
    Registered Users Posts: 6,118 ✭✭✭championc


    My consumption is around 13 per day. So if solar produced nothing one day, that's the max I need from battery storage.

    Thankfully, I have 20kWh of DIY storage, so I can easily get through every day without needing any daytime units, and therefore the Pinergy 5c deal was a no-brainer.

    But it would still be worth it even if I needed to buy a few 47c kWh's each day.



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    #454
    graememk
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204249#Comment_121204249

    It should track the general wholesale price. So as that starts to go down, micro gen will come down.

    If we get back to 14c day rate, microgen will be low too.



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    #455
    paulbok
    Registered Users Posts: 4,937 ✭✭✭paulbok


    Can't see it ever getting back to that rate, I doubt it'll even drop below 28c a unit.

    In an ideal world, the regulator's would set it at a % of the day rate suppliers charge, e.g 75% but they are too spineless to regulate like that



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    #456
    _Brian
    Registered Users Posts: 18,545 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Am I correct that there isn’t a way on smart meter to see actual live power consumption??

    a miss if there isn’t

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    #457
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 65,317 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204679#Comment_121204679

    Correct and yes I've said it before too, a real miss. Would have been a nice feature, even a help for people to cut down usage (I know you can easily and cheaply install a meter like an owl yourself, but for a lot of people that is one step too far)



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    #458
    Jonathan
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204796#Comment_121204796

    In-home displays (IHDs) are planned for the next phase of the smart meter roll out.



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    #459
    Bobeagleburger
    Registered Users Posts: 45,393 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    Very surprised to hear that. I had assumed that was one of the smart meter features.



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    #460
    graememk
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204871#Comment_121204871

    Went YOLO on the the 30 odd euro thing that plugs into the P1 port, was meant to have the SM install on Thursday but never turned up...

    I'll see if that port is activated already or not.

    If not, I'll just have to wait for the display rollout



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    #461
    trant
    Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭trant


    RM108 was installed three days ago and no sign of usage information in the ESBN portal. The "Submit a meter reading" page also shows the old D/N meter number.

    Since KN did the install, I'm wondering if it takes a while for everything to switch over?



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    #462
    graememk
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121207413#Comment_121207413

    Could be a weekend thing too.



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    #463
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,900 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121202934#Comment_121202934

    They do it after VAT though, meaning it's actually 22c



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    #464
    graememk
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121207583#Comment_121207583

    Well unless your vat registered, you get to keep it.

    But we shall see what the rest do in response to the flogas drop



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    #465
    curioustony
    Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭curioustony


    Is a change to the supplier FIT rate a reason to avoid an exit charge?

    Currently there is no way to separate import and export, but has it been included in the standard T&C's that the FIT is variable?

    🌞4.55 kWp, azimuth 136°, slope 24°, 5kW, 🛢️10.9kWh, Roscommon



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    #466
    Bobeagleburger
    Registered Users Posts: 45,393 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208167#Comment_121208167

    Doubt it unfortunately.

    The minimum FIT is zero, and can be changed whenever they want. As prices come down FIT will too.



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    #467
    curioustony
    Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭curioustony


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208332#Comment_121208332

    Fair enough. I would definitely try it on. If you have a battery a big chunk of the supplier decision is the differential between cheap rate (EV, night, whatever) and the FIT.

    Never say no to yourself.. 😉

    🌞4.55 kWp, azimuth 136°, slope 24°, 5kW, 🛢️10.9kWh, Roscommon



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    #468
    jkforde
    Registered Users Posts: 2,001 ✭✭✭jkforde


    gotta say it's very satisfying to see the data already on my ESBN account, I was surprised to see it so soon, I thought there was a ~month to check the signal reliability etc.

    🌦️ 6.7kwp, 45°, SSW, mid-Galway 🌦️



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    #469
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,900 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121207650#Comment_121207650

    No. The energia bill adds on VAT and then after that deducts fit credit

    The other add vat after deducting the fit credit, meaning that the fit credit is applied before rather than after vat.



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    #470
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users Posts: 12,287 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    The saga continues...

    Screenshot_20231009_154511_Outlook.jpg


    And from ESB...

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    #471
    graememk
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121213267#Comment_121213267

    It doesnt matter if its put in before the vat is calculated (and its in as ex.VAT) or after if it includes vat. The sum is the same at the end.

    So you need to compare all fit rates including VAT or all excluding vat.

    Flogas rate was 22c +vat (or 23.98 inc vat, everyone rounded to 24), Energia's was 18c inc vat, now its 24 inc vat

    Unfortunately Flogas is going to  €0.185 per kWh (exc. VAT), €0.202 per kWh (inc. VAT )

    My workings: Its the same if the fit is calculated before or after vat. (and if your +vat total is negative, the VAT will also be negative, Putting you more in credit.)

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    #472
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,900 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121214434#Comment_121214434

    That is exactly what I'm getting at. Energia communicate the before vat rate and flogas had been communicating the after vat rate. Must compare apples with apples



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    #473
    graememk
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121202190#Comment_121202190
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121202934#Comment_121202934
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121207583#Comment_121207583

    Have I got my wires crossed somewhere?

    Energia's rate is currently the same as flogas, but will be higher after the start of november. [lets stick with inc vat] Flogas 20.2 vs energia 24.

    for some reason I thought you were saying that flogas new rate was much better than energia currently.



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    #474
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,900 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    No there's no denying that the energia rate after the recent change increase by energia and decrease by flogas is better, I'm not sure I said that. The only thing I mentioned was the difference in quoting pre/post VAT FIT rates as each supplier treats them differently. I was with energia when they had 18c FIT - but that was incl vat, and moved to flogas when they had 24c excl vat.



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    #475
    graememk
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Also, SM was installed today, Also tided up some holes in the meter box too.



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    #476
    KCross
    Registered Users Posts: 12,115 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121215127#Comment_121215127

    They replaced my meter door as it had a crack on it and while chatting with him they said they are finding lots of issues when replacing the meters with issues like people having taken a separate spur off the incomer to power their showers (i.e. bypassing the meter!). Highly illegal but they got away with it for years. He gave a few other examples like that too so not just one or two rare occasions.


    So, that's one additional side effect to the meter changes.



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    #477
    simpsimp
    Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭simpsimp


    Really dumb question, but if someone can please remind me...

    We were on a D/N tariff, now have a smart meter - we can choose either a smart or D/N tariff when we renew? Or do we need to go with a smart one?



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    #478
    graememk
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121227191#Comment_121227191

    You can stay on DN or a smart tariff.

    But once you leave DN, for a smart you can't go back.

    Caution needed, electric Ireland, when people renewed put people on a smart 24 hr tariff. Because they offered smart insights or something.

    Energia now also have a smart 24 hr and a smart DN. With " smarts". Could be seeing more of this going forward.



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    #479
    yankinlk
    Registered Users Posts: 2,735 ✭✭✭yankinlk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121227348#Comment_121227348

    What is the reason why chaning to SM tariff is a one way trip? Is this just a symptom of bad regulation?

    If i can get a new smart day night meter and want to continue to reduce my day units bu shifting to night use and night rates why would the suppliers actively prevent me from benefitting



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    #480
    graememk
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121227517#Comment_121227517

    No idea the reason, but that's what was decided. The old mcc01 and mcc02 meter codes are being "retired"

    New ones are mcc12 (30 minute interval readings) and mcc16(still 2 months, possibly still manually read in places reception is poor)



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    #481
    yankinlk
    Registered Users Posts: 2,735 ✭✭✭yankinlk


    Ok so when i get my new Day Night smart meter... Will i have the freedom to switch easily between tariffs without this weird one way restriction? Actual choice of day night versus smart "standard" or whatever they call it



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