Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I think that's just a matter of time.

I'm sure I read somewhere today that hamas objectives have been met and they are ready to talk 😀😀😀

Similar to how many south of the border wouldn't touch the terrorist cesspit of N. Ireland and all its economic/social problems with a bargepole.

This!!

Exactly why I lost all faith in Islamists.

It's totally an "us against them" mentality.

Hence the reason there are so many people causing uncalled for trouble in western cities across the globe.

Police in Australia looking into chants of gas the Jews, same as the Guards should be looking into the desecration of flowers etc for the victims of Saturday

The guards here investigate public anti-semetic acts? Weill they ****!

They'd be far more eager to charge someone for accidentally using the wrong pronoun.

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I’m not taking “sides” and I’m ignoring people who do simply because it will just be arguments going around in circles.

For me, the frightening part is the language and rhetoric of both sides- Hamas appears to be as evil as ISIS - Israel is obviously going to now attack a small area with a lot of people and kill many of them. Essentially history has brought us to this place - even if Israel defeat Hamas, what then? There’s another terrorist organisation in the wings somewhere. And so it continues- I don’t have answers- I can appreciate how both sides have come to this moment but we know the only way forward in the long run is the difficult path of peace talks .

I believe that they have over 20,000 of them and the kits to convert other bombs to jdams

The Gaza Strip is 41 km (25 mi) long, from 6 to 12 km (3.7 to 7.5 mi) wide, and has a total area of only 365 km2.

There used to be only tens of thousands of Muslims there, now there are 2 million - and growing rapidly.

Pity they could not settle in the huge huge surrounding counties of Egypt, Saudi Arabia etc - except the rapidly growing populations of those countries do not want them either. I wonder why.

if mcguirk is a centrist im an astronaut

My brother spent two 6 month tours in Bagram air base, and they had a miniature version of Iron Dome.

For the first few days he was jumpy (he was a civilian so no military experience) when he heard mortars but he just got used to them being shot down pretty quickly.

On the conflict both sets of people are being let down by their leaders; the extremism on both sides feed each other and make any type of dialogue more and more unlikely. Hamas will be empowered the more vicious the treatment by Israel and vice versa.

There isn't enough land to go round is the main problem. Outside of sub Saharan Africa Israel is unique (especially among western nations) in that it's population is growing, circa 3 children per adult female. Add that to arriving Jews and the need for land and housing is only going to grow.

The empowerment of the far right and their view that this is "their" land is a substantial driver.

This will only get worse with potential to grow quickly into a wider conflict.

Western leaders should as much as possible seek to restrain Israel's response if only out of self interest. The winners in an escalation are Iran, Russia and China as they will thrive in the chaos and distraction.

Obama, Biden, Sunaik etc haven't done that to date.

Not paranoid enough going from Saturday's evidence.

I think it's more that the Palestinians were adopted as a cause by the European left (and indeed much of the centre) back in the 1970s.

Now however the main expression of Palestinian resistance is radical Islamicist fundamentalism, backed by the Palestinian people, the European left hasn't adjusted to that new reality.

I mean let's face it, Hamas would happily slaughter all our of ungodly kafir selves...yet we seem to want to cling to them as a cause. They want an Islamist theocracy and the murder of all Jews. Bizarre really that European liberals can still somehow explain away supporting such people.