Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Why did Egypt put up a border then? Why doesn't Egypt want Hamas?

The 6 day war was Israel's making? Really?

Because people don’t really care, but it makes for a good “argument” right now.

Yes, both sides kill children. That's war, it's ugly and evil.

Almost every time it's palestinians who start it by attacking civilians. Then Israel have to retaliate, and what can they attack? There are no military objectives in Gaza, no actual army, no army bases, the palestinians fighters are not uniformed, they don't belong to a proper army, they just mix with the civilians. IDF have no other choice but to strike whatever they can strike.

It is not war per se. It is an insurgency.

Mossad have assassinated numerous Hamas operatives without bombing whole buildings. That is the way to go to destroy that evil organisation. It is harder for sure but if they valued palestinians lives a jot they would do this. Instead they bomb whole buildings and kill innocent people who they brand as collateral damage.

I can see how the Israelis wouldn't care as they hate the Palestinians and vice versa but not sure how neutrals in the conflict like people in Ireland would think this is acceptable.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Unbelievable.

What Hamas done was barbaric and Israel has every right to defend and push them back. Flattening the Gaza strip without discrimination is no better. The rhetoric from Israel is clear that they have no problem annhiliating everyone in Gaza in the name of self defence.

Hamas, Hezbollah and the Israeli government are all cut from the same cloth. Fundamentalist terroist organisations and ultimately it's the every day people walking the streets of Israel, Palestine and Lebanon that pay the price. None of them need much of a catalyst or excuse to start hammering civilian populations with bombs.

A come on now there was plenty of that.

In relation to Israel-Gaza conflict. I've never seen such nonsense posted everywhere around this conflict. People going all in with one side. Refusing to lay any blame at the others door. Unable to think critically and reason that there is some fault on both sides. Unable to reconcile the fact that there are innocents on both sides.

It's a scary time people have become so **** dangerously stupid. You would wonder what their social media feeds look like. That's where I squarely lay the blame.

There's been plenty of outrage about incidents involving children in Ukraine, from Bucha, to the opera house being bombed depsite a sign saying "Children" outside it and the mass kidnapping and relocation of children from Ukraine.

What on earth are you on about?

That's a false equivalence. And it is dishonest to make it.

I don't think the average child in Russia has a high probability of being killed by a Ukrainian strike. Be they in St. Petersburg or Moscow or Siberia. Some Ukrainian children had the safe haven of protection in the EU. Ignoring that, and pretending that none left, here are some stats for you

1) Population density of Ukraine is about 1% of the population density of Gaza. That is for the entire population.

2) The median age in Gaza is 18. The median age in Ukraine is about 45. Population of Ukraine less than 18 was less than 20%. So you are probably looking at a ratio of 250 if you just look at the density of children.

3) Ukraine has the ability to defend itself. Gaza does not. Every single rocket that Israel fires onto the territory, whether from air, land, or sea, will hit a target and explode.

Nevertheless, you might have missed the reporting of Ukrainian children being abducted and sent to Russia. It was only constantly in the news for months.

Just read that Hamas executed 10 Nepali Hindus - what did they do wrong? They didn't even look Israeli

That as may be. The population density of Gaza is nearly five times the population density of Cork city for example. (Not county - city)

So basically take the population of Cork city, squash them into 20% of its area, and then point out all the nice open country they have left within that 20%