Will Andy Farrell get the adoration Jack Charlton got?

I don't think anyone will get the adoration Jack got. We're living in different times, more cynical times with haters and contrarians that are just watching for the first slip to attack & cancel.

The residency rule is party of rugby and is used by most teams in the Rugby world cup.

Plenty of other athletes represent Ireland through residence and naturalisation.

On the flip side,how many Irish soccer players have left the country and live and play in the UK? It's alright to be Irish (or even be English but your granny was Irish) and have your life and career outside Ireland, but not ok to live and play in Ireland, and hold Irish residency, but not born here?

FFS, thats the entire point. The Irish mentality, the one that despite being the top ranked side in the world pushes back from saying that the plan is to win.

Where else would you see that? Imagine Usain Bolt going to the Olympics and "pushing back from saying that the plan is to win". Imagine Verstappen going to a race and pushing back from saying the plan is to win. Imagine Djokovic going to Wimbledon and pushing back from saying the plan is to win. You would never hear that, because they are/were the best in the world and bloody well expect to win.

The fact Ireland doesn't have that mentality is what has been holding them back for decades. And don't talk to me about Grand slams as if there isn't a history of Ireland winning 6 nations and then **** the bed when it comes to the real prize.

There's so much projection in your critique of that opinion piece.

She never mentions rugby once in that article.

The opening half is an account of bringing her son to the recent Ireland v Netherlands game and the issue of people around them effing and blinding in the presence of a child.

I was at that game myself, as it happens, and there was a father there with a young lad, pretty near to me - the only really young kid that was to be seen the section I was in - and, as the game started to not go Ireland's way, people were cursing and roaring. I did wonder whether I'd bring a young kid to this environment.

I presume to even think that - to follow the logic of your argument - makes me a rugby fan? Because those kind of thoughts have marked that journalist as being "clearly" a fan of rugby in your eyes.

I've never been to a rugby match in my life, didn't watch the game at the weekend, and would have happily taken them losing by 50 points, as long as Arsenal beat City the following day.

The second half of the piece is a blanket bemoaning of parents not keeping their emotions in check at the sideline of underage games generally.

"but that's not ok with you but its ok to declare for a country because that person has lived here since 2014"

Anybody can become an Irish citizen and get an Irish passport after 5 years of residence.

Athletes have "every right" to play for Ireland under residency rules.

If you think that someone who lives, works and raises a family in Ireland is less Irish than someone who's never been to Ireland, who's parents have never been to Ireland but has a granny from the auld country, then I sincerely disagree with you.

I never said he wasn't entitled. He is entitled, just like people qualifying under residency are entitled.

Just said that he was less Irish than someone living here and raising a family.

And your cousin is less Irish than Tham Nguyen who's representing Ireland in weightlifting.

I think the "granny rule" vs the residency rule debate is pretty tiresome.

You qualify under maybe a distant relative? Yeah, alright, fair enough.

You qualify because you've lived here for a few years? Yeah, alright, fair enough.

It has changed to 5 years now. Not going to see many unless they join very young.

Also a huge amount of local talent coming through the provinces.

As for granny rule, grand. Specific example is Kevin kilbane. Probably more Irish than I am!

All Blacks have I think 11 foreign born players , Scotland in the last world had 15 out of 33 in their squad , it’s nothing unusual , dunno if it’s farcical when every nation does it.

Why?

Will Andy Farrell get the adoration Jack Charlton got?

If we win the World Cup, yes...otherwise no.

Reasons : Ireland is a different place now, than 1990. Rugby is hugely popular but nothing like as universally popular as soccer was back in 1990. I mean there wasn't a sinner on the streets for Ireland v Italy... EVERYBODY was indoors watching the game.

Anyway wish the team all the best next Saturday 🇮🇪

Who has more ties to Ireland, Bundee Aki or Sammie Szomdics?

It is irrelevant to the discussion as it to do with the question of Farrell adoration v Charlton. But the answer is obvious Szomodics - qualifies for Ireland to his grandparent. Aki qualifies by virtue of residency.

But again how is this question relevant to the adoration question? Is it because Charlton took up 'residency' in Mayo and brought a house there?

Like how Jack Charlton got Ireland to the world cup?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I think that a foreign-born plater choosing to live in Ireland and play club rugby here for 5 years before they get a shot at the national team is far better than having an Ireland soccer manager bribing a foreign-born player with a green jersey because their granny happened to be born in Ireland.

The Jack Grealish saga was tragic.

Michael Bent? He qualified through an Irish parent, also lived and played in Ireland for 10 years. He got a lot of bile thrown his way for being parachuted into the team which is of course on the management and not his fault at all.

Was an important player for Leinster for the best part of a decade and never got the plaudits he deserved. This frosty atmosphere for him which remained ever since his initial introduction is probably what led him to return to NZ after retiring from rugby, which is a shame. I wouldn’t blame him either.

Who was that? are you talking about Joe Schmidt?

Read back over all your posts so far, those

Surely it's the mentality of the players that matter, not the fans? The Irish fans might be afraid to believe we will win, but the players are certainly not. The Irish team is a lot more confident that the fans are and they look as if the are there to win.

That's what I was trying to say but it flew over their head. It doesn't really matter what fans are posting on a forum and more about what the players think

Sure they have a whole ad campaign taking the piss out of it

Yeah keep telling that to yourself and you might believe it lol, he was a sports migrant came to ireland for a few quid and fecked off. Them plastic paddies you mention have to have a blood link to the country they represent in soccer they don't in rugby. I suppose you consider and American, Brit with grand parents from Ireland a plastic paddy also ?

You honestly believe someone who is dropped into the Ireland squad having never represented Ireland at any level previously, never played at any level in this country and has never lived here has more connection to the country than someone who has lived here 9 years and is raising his kids here, just because of 1 grandparent?

By the way, Andy Farrell has two Irish Grandparents. And his wife Colleen O'Loughlin is of Irish stock also. One of the reasons Farrell has gelled so well with the Irish team is the his upbringing was an Irish ex-pat one, similar to the likes of Kevin Kilbane. His son Owen, captain of the England rugby team, has probably got more Irish heritage than half the Irish football team

For every Kevin Kilbane who was raised in a "Irish" household, there are 10 Sammie Szomodics who take the opportunity of International football when they realise they wont get it with their home country. See Grealish and Rice as players who couldn't leave quick enough when the chance came up to represent their home country. Aki et al have invested time and effort in this country and are raising their families here and have demonstrated far more commitment to the country than most footballers who "declare" for Ireland.

Also, the whole issue is being massively overplayed. 3 of 33 players have qualified via residency.