Will Andy Farrell get the adoration Jack Charlton got?

Like wealthy soccer clubs ?

3 of 33 qualified on residency. 3 of 33 through Irish ancestry, 27 of 33 came up through the system. All 6 who did not come through the system here came here to play first. Of the players qualified by residency. Aki is playing in Ireland for 9 years, Lowe for 6, Gibson-Park for 7. Of the 3 qualified through parent / grandparent, Herring has played here for 11 years, Bealham for 9 and Hansen is in his 3rd year playing all his rugby in the Irish system

The most recent football squad 6 of 24 were not born here and never played football here outside of the national team. That's probably the lowest number of "overseas" players in over 40 years.

Like many I know I'm firmly only a bandwagon watcher and having mulled the thread over the last week I don't think he'll achieve the same adoration as Charlton simply because rugby is still not as widespread as a football and a few jumpers for goalposts.

If we did win I feel the bigger benefit will be to show that all Island effort furthers the chance of success in all codes.

What I mean by farcical is the residency rule means no ties to the country, too easy for anyone to play for the side. Anyway. Farrell is entitled to make use of the rules as is any other country. It does not seem to be in the spirit of the sport though. 'Project players' and so on.

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But again this has nothing to do with the OP's question. I still have not seen anyone of this thread say why Farrell would get the same adoration Charlton received even if they think he would.

You would have to define the level of adoration v level of success for a start.

It’s after 5 years of residency, it’s only ever going to apply to a very small proportion of players, 3/33 in the current squad - that’s only going to get smaller as well as they’ve tightened the rules on it.

What an odd and misplaced (most of your points are based on falsehoods) hatred you seem to have for the sport

In any case I can tell by your posting history and how you carry on that you’re either being satirical or a wind up merchant. Won’t be taking anything you say seriously anyway.

You posted: 74%of the starting team for the Italia 90 QF were born in Ireland,

Which was wrong. Stander hasn't played for Ireland in years. Plus the players you mention had more of a connection with Ireland, living and working here, children born here, than any of the Ireland soccer team who flew in and out for match's and majority to this day still live in England.

ne of the few players who is still around ireland is Cascarino, who has no connection with Ireland at all apart from a dodgy passport

Like the Irish soccer fans still give abuse to a young English player because he decided to play for England. Which one? well a few now isn't it.

I wouldn't be questioning the system if I was you

That's not abuse, it's "industrial language" 😉

Yes, I forgot 😂

You are correct it was someone else. I apologise. It was someone else

To put into context, between 1988-90, Ireland was a poor country and very sportingly poor. We had 1 Post-War Olympic Gold medal. We were not achieving anything in sport outside of Ireland. The Jack Charltons era was a wake up moment of "hold on, we can actually do stuff?".

I don't think Andy Farrell or the rugby team could capture the country like that. I think only the football team in the deep stages of a World cup/Euros could shut down the nation.

I like Rugby. I go to some Leinster and Ireland games but it just isn't on a universal level like the football is.

All that rubbish about the “elites” deliberately keeping rugby all for themselves and locking anyone else out. Total bollòcks.

Anyway as I said you’re only on a wind up here so I’m not arsed entertaining any of this nonsense as argument in good faith

You have to remember that Ireland back in 1988 / 1990 was a different place. Charlton and his team brought joy and hope into what was for a lot of people a grim insular country. As a 15 year old in 1988 I can say that beating England in Euro 88 was a highlight of my childhood. Euro 88 and Italia 90 transcended across the whole of society. I don't think any sporting achievement now would get people back to the streets in the way that Jack's success did, save perhaps if Stephen Kenny won the world cup. Those of us of a certain age owe a huge debt of gratitude to Jack Charlton for the joy he brought to the masses.

Rugby is a niche sport, behind soccer, football and hurling in Ireland. It will never get the same participation rates as the other sports as it's not really something you can play down the park as a kid and at school level you require competent coaches to avoid injury. I'd put it in the same bracket as swimming, field hockey, etc. The one difference is that it tends to trigger some soccer and maybe less so GAA fans for some reason. Yes it's played by private schools (and we all know there's a cohort that hate anyone with more money than them in this country) but a lot of clubs outside of Dublin are no different to the local GAA or soccer club with the same mix of people. My son plays both rugby and GAA, and there is a high degree of cross over between the two teams (but less so as he gets older). In fact one of his rugby team has been called up to a full inter country football squad. There is more cross over between his rugby and GAA teams that there is between his GAA team and local soccer teams. There are no players on his rugby team playing soccer. Different people like different sport.

If Farrell wins the World Cup it will be an outstanding sporting achievement. For rugby fans (myself included) it will be great occasion. Hopefully fans of other Irish sports can enjoy it too, in the same way we all enjoy when we win in niche sports (like Olympic rowing). If the FAI have any sense they will look at how the IRFU have grown the sport at every level over recent years and learn from it.