Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I’m concentrating on the here and now- no point in going back over the past- what happens tomorrow is all that counts now - what’s done in the past is done- both sides had chances to make peace and both sides screwed up

Palestinians want Israel wiped off the face of the earth. how do you go to the table for discussion when that's what you're up against

There hasn't been any proof put forth for about 90% of the claims made on the thread.

Any names at all of those who impress you? Give the due credit please.

Gave me a good laugh that you attribute advances in agriculture to the Jewish people

Sitting ducks is not a phrase I'd use to describe Israel. In a volatile situation sure, but who is going to present any serious threat to them?

Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and Egypt have absolutely zero interest in fighting Israel.

The only credible threats against Israel are Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran by proxy. But none of those challenges present the vaguest conventional threat to Israel as a state.

Not you but another poster yesterday was claiming that the IDF is a weak fighting force and was actually lauding Hezbollah as somehow capable of putting a serious challenge to them. Regardless of your personal thoughts on Israel as a country, that sort of nonsense is squarely the territory of projecting ludicrious internal fantasy.

This is unfortunately what we've allowed to happen the UN have been a lame duck for years, America will veto one solution, Russia will veto another solution,France , Germany,UK and China are the same,

There's no point anymore to the UN other than money,

The irony of the US providing arms and support for a country occupied by an aggressor while simultaneously providing arms and support to an occupying aggressor.

I think but everyone would benefit if we say "Hearing/Seeing reports" that we share a link of report as long as it is within the rules of the thread ie no NSFW videos - it adds credibility to what's being said!

The problem is that the US want Israel to act as their hard man in the region, should anything kick off there. So they turn a blind eye to the fact that Israel has stolen and continues to steal their neighbours land, while corralling millions of people into an open air prison camp the size of Louth, which is shrinking all the time. Israel are illegal controllers of foreign land and until the international community are one in condemning Israel's actions in Palestine, there will be no future settlement to the issues that have been plaguing the area for decades.

There has to be an acknowledgement somewhere along the line that Palestine has a right to their own determination before anything can move forward.

The worse part in that irony is the US is supplying very much limited resources to one in dribs and drabs while the other they will go for broke to support and supply them

What level of evidence would you accept?

Sky News

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza-war-latest-hamas-palestine-sky-news-live-blog-12978800#6558219

"Fears are growing across Lebanon that a front may soon open up on the southern border with Israel.

People here are glued to their TVs watching for updates about what's happening in Gaza. 

Schools across the south have been closed for the foreseeable future.

On the roads heading north from the border, there's heavy traffic as people move away from areas that could become a warzone. 

It's very hard to predict what will happen next but the prospect of escalation is very real. "

Totally agree with you,

But every day this conflict rolls on and not just what happened at the weekend and the reprisals the further and further that option for 2 Separate states gets ,it's practically non existent now , Israel won't give back what they have stolen and we can't take from anywhere else to give to Palestine,and even at that were still going to see attacks against both states and off to perpetual war again,