Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I think but everyone would benefit if we say "Hearing/Seeing reports" that we share a link of report as long as it is within the rules of the thread ie no NSFW videos - it adds credibility to what's being said!

The problem is that the US want Israel to act as their hard man in the region, should anything kick off there. So they turn a blind eye to the fact that Israel has stolen and continues to steal their neighbours land, while corralling millions of people into an open air prison camp the size of Louth, which is shrinking all the time. Israel are illegal controllers of foreign land and until the international community are one in condemning Israel's actions in Palestine, there will be no future settlement to the issues that have been plaguing the area for decades.

There has to be an acknowledgement somewhere along the line that Palestine has a right to their own determination before anything can move forward.

The worse part in that irony is the US is supplying very much limited resources to one in dribs and drabs while the other they will go for broke to support and supply them

What level of evidence would you accept?

Sky News

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza-war-latest-hamas-palestine-sky-news-live-blog-12978800#6558219

"Fears are growing across Lebanon that a front may soon open up on the southern border with Israel.

People here are glued to their TVs watching for updates about what's happening in Gaza. 

Schools across the south have been closed for the foreseeable future.

On the roads heading north from the border, there's heavy traffic as people move away from areas that could become a warzone. 

It's very hard to predict what will happen next but the prospect of escalation is very real. "

Totally agree with you,

But every day this conflict rolls on and not just what happened at the weekend and the reprisals the further and further that option for 2 Separate states gets ,it's practically non existent now , Israel won't give back what they have stolen and we can't take from anywhere else to give to Palestine,and even at that were still going to see attacks against both states and off to perpetual war again,

I’d say he is done once the crisis is over. The guy at the top has to take responsibility for such massive failures of intelligence etc.

Genocide

It's not really about what Israel will give back at this point. It's about getting them to not take more land off of the Palestinians. Palestine is in a fight for its very existence here and as long as the rest of the world sits back and says that what Israel is doing is ok, even in a tacit way, Israel will continue to do what she's been doing for decades, which is strangling Palestine and ethnically cleansing the region. As long as they have the sugar daddy relationship with the US, there will be no resolution here.

The problem then gets compounded when the extremists come to the fore, and they will, because the extremists are usually the ones to try and spearhead something when, seemingly, there are no other options left open.

So what is the solution then? Keep the Palestinians in what amounts to being their prisons for the next few years? Israel has been kicking this can down the road for far too long to their own detriment. They have no moderates on the other side now. They inflict pain and suffering on the Palestinians like never before and still haven't taken the fight out of them.

They are fighting against a state that routinely subjugates and indiscriminately murders Palestinian men women and children.

Even in times of "peace" with no hamas operations ongoing, IDF and Israeli settlers still kill Palestinian children. There was already a 3 figure death toll this year before this attack kicked off

Israel is a terrorist state, so anyone fighting against the IDF is a freedom fighter in my book.

Won’t have any effect, Hamas would sacrifice 100k innocent Palestinians just to get the media coverage. They’re a terror group only interested in self enrichment and power. They not only knew full well but actively counted on a heavy handed Israeli response to the atrocities they committed over the weekend to ensure a steady supply of money, weapons and volunteers for the next few years as Muslims seek retribution for what’s about to unfold.

A Palestinian State in the West of Egypt, or anywhere.

The population relocated to neighbouring countries.

What should have been, could have been are immaterial to now.

What is the long term resolution, it's not an Israel and a Palestinian state. It's not the right to return, both of those end in Israelis being exterminated down the road and here is the big challenge, for right or wrong, they are not going to allow that.

Exactly as I see it. Hamas commits heinous crimes and Israel responds with even worse firepower. Thus ensuring more volunteers will enlist with Hamas for future battles. Rinse and repeat.