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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,128 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    So yet again the entire budget has been leaked. Leo the Leak abandoned cabinet confidentiality a long time ago.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,648 ✭✭✭✭blanch152




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,128 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The constant leaks and kite flying is vulgar. They should be able to enforce cabinet confidentiality.

    So no responses to the emissions post? Another run away 😉

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,128 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    This crap about the FFG government being afraid that Landlords are leaving the market is completely made up. Why would they leave when they are doubling/trebling rental income??

    This was a budget for the likes of Robert Troy. The Dail is full of landlords.

    Commentary on landlord exodus grounded in ‘misinterpretation of data’ | Business Post

    Commentary on landlord exodus grounded in ‘misinterpretation of data’

    New Census data shows there are 54,000 more households in private rental sector than previously estimated, casting doubt over commentary that landlords are fleeing the sector

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,641 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    You have heard of RPZs? Many if not most small landlords aren't getting a market rate and it's well documented for a long time now that many are exiting the market especially with the prospect of an SF government..

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,648 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    As always the glittering headline attracts the poster, while the underlying detail and analysis is overloooked:

    "We have also estimated that approximately one thousand dwellings that were reported as private rental dwellings by householders in the Census may more appropriately be categorised as having a landlord that is a Voluntary or Cooperative housing body.”

    It added that some of the discrepancy could also be connected to “more informal letting arrangements” between parents and children being captured in the Census as private rentals that may not be registered with the RTB."

    Both you and the CSO rep are missing the other big obvious hole in your argument. Small landlords have left the market, and continue to leave the market in droves, but have been replaced by institutional landlords.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,128 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Aragh yeah. Prove it with legitimate stats. It's just spin by the FFG landlords. Is Troy giving up his 10+ properties? It was FG that brought in the vulture funds.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,648 ✭✭✭✭blanch152




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,128 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    CSO figures.

    • The total number of occupied rental properties in the 2022 census was 513,704 up from 469,671 in 2016. This includes properties rented from a private landlord (330,632), local authority (153,192) or voluntary/co-operative housing body (29,880).

    I doubt people would lie on the census.


    On the other hand it is likely that landlords are not registering their tenancies. These omissions are not being properly enforced. Think Troy. Think Donnelly. RTB figures are much more likely to be incorrect. TDs can't remember to do it but at least we have reform coming for that.....oh wait

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    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,648 ✭✭✭✭blanch152




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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,128 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Great argument. What did they lie about?

    I named 2 government TDs that lied about their tenancies to the RTB. Actually they were ministers.

    There was also Billy Kellegher (FF) and John Paul Phelan (FG).

    If TDs aren't doing it, what message does that send to landlords.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭72sheep


    "My boyfriend said he’d like a threesome. Am I a prude if I say no?" is the main photo headline story on IT right now. Welcome to FFG's Modern Ireland. Just remember that these people are all completely normal and their only crime is an #abundanceofcare, ROFL!

    https://www.irishtimes.com/health/your-wellness/2023/10/15/my-boyfriend-said-hed-like-a-threesome-am-i-a-prude-if-i-say-no/



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,325 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




  • Registered Users Posts: 34,641 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Wtf has this got to do with the govenment exactly?

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭72sheep



    Micheal Martin and Dame Louis are back with a new report creating more noise so FFG can justify denying the public a referendum. (They even casually abuse voters by explaining a reconsideration of our neutrality is necessary "as the demographics of the country change"!) Brave leaders like Micheal and Leo will tell us it's time for Ireland to confidently take its place on the international stage - especially seeing as the US Defence industry has so so so so much lovely money that needs to find a home before the election, LOL! 

    https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2023/10/17/security-report-says-prevailing-view-is-triple-lock-should-be-changed/



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,641 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Why do you want a referendum on something which isn't in the constitution?

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,128 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    This "project" is the Fine Gael legacy since 2011. All the FG health ministers since 2011 should be brought in and questioned about the overspend and delays. Especially Reilly who should be investigated for this role here. Multiple times above budget and 7 years late.

    Further delay on completion date for National Children’s Hospital – The Irish Times

    The timeline for completing the delayed National Children’s Hospital has slipped again, with completion of the project now not expected until October next year.

    The National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (NPHDB), which is responsible for stewarding delivery of the project, will tell a Dáil committee on Thursday that the main contractor for the project has indicated that “substantial completion” will now be on October 29th, 2024.

    This is more than two years after the initially contracted date of August 2022. After the building is completed, it will take several more months to finish fitting out and commissioning, raising the very real chance that no children will be treated in the hospital before the next general election, which must be held by March 2025.

    What they said in 2012...

    Cabinet row as children's hospital goes to St James's | Independent.ie

    Health Minister Dr James Reilly has already admitted that there is now no chance of the project being finished by the original deadline of 2016.

    Dr Reilly said the children's hospital could possibly be ready by the end of 2017 or early 2018.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Blut2


    It'll end up a decade late and 200-300%% over budget. That's FG's management of public infrastructure for you - healthcare, housing, transport - its the same disaster across the board these days.

    Even Bertie's FF for all their brown envelopes back in the day actually got things built, just with that little slice of corruption taken. Not defending that in any way mind you, but it was more effective than FG's rank incompetence at least.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,128 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I believe it will be 5-6 times over the original budget. Sure nobody knows, we are waiting on BAM to provide the final cost. 2 billion + for sure. We have been waiting for many months for projected final costs. It's a complete mess.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Latest opinion poll:

    I would guess that the coalition parties won’t get any comfort from this poll.i also think there’s no chance of an early GE now either.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,529 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Probably not.

    There was a rumour that an election might be called this time next year after the Budget but i think they might let it run its course because an election has to be called before Feb 2025.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Its the same odds for the next election being in either 2024 or 2025 with the bookies.

    A giveaway budget in October 2024 and a November election before the halo fades, and winter sets in properly, is still very likely. The government parties are wary of January/February campaigning and elections.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,835 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    The more things change, the more they stay the same...

    The government has scrapped plans to strip developers of planning permission to build homes on land that they’ve failed to develop, in a significant reversal of national housing policy.

    ....

    The U-turn represents a significant win for developers


    What a surprise! Just like the good old days - except no houses and no chance of getting one for most.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1 La Perla


    What this country needs after the next general election is a FF-FG grand coalition government (without the greens or others) with a strong working majority.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    I notice this is your first post. Are you really saying the status quo (without the greens, which imho is a given ) continues?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Anyone who looks at the state of the Irish housing market, the health service, our homelessness crisis, the problems retaining gardai, soldiers and teachers, and our current immigration crisis after the last 12 years of FG governments and says "what we need is 5 more years of this" needs their head checked.

    We're one of the richest countries in the world, with budget surpluses almost unheard of outside of petrostates, and the country's services and infrastructure are on their knees. A new government won't fix everything, but its surely time to give the opposition a chance to see what they can do. It can't be much worse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,227 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...oh dont worry, plenty of folks are gonna come out and re-vote for another ffg lead government, many of these folks are probably doing just doing fine in life, as theyve been sitting around watching the value of their assets grow under the governance of these parties!



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,648 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Oh, it can be much worse.

    A new government could cancel Metrolink and Dart Plus, and spend the money on social welfare increases.

    It could also do a Paddy Cosgrave on foreign policy and see Intel, Google and the rest leave in five minutes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,227 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    current government could easily just do the same, major companies such as those mentioned arent going anywhere, we still have a a lot to offer such companies, although our failures in maintaining an advancement of critical infrastructure is placing enormous pressure on these companies, which is already causing them to rethink their investment's here, intel etc

    ...a sf lead government wouldnt change much in regards the operations of such companies here, sf would also more than likely need to pony up with ff anyway, so.....



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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,648 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Who says those major companies are not going anywhere? Hope won't keep them here. Wishes won't keep them here. An anti-Israeli government certainly won't keep them here.

    A SF-led foreign policy is the biggest danger to this country's prosperity.

    India is the future for many of these companies. English widely spoken, an increasingly well-educated population, a growing domestic market, it ticks a lot of boxes, a lot of boxes that we used to tick.



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