Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I was referring the post about the young Palestinian boy whose family was hit when Israeli forces fired on Palestinian fighters. Try to keep up.

Levelling city blocks is indeed another story but sadly is just another part of war.

Sky News - Michael Clarke - Military analyst. - https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza-war-latest-hamas-palestine-sky-news-live-blog-12978800?postid=6563843#liveblog-body

"The overwhelming military preference will be for Israel to launch a multi-pronged attack into Gaza, probably from the landward and seaward side simultaneously, coupled with an even greater intensity air campaign in the hours preceding zero hour.

Attacking in urban environments is always the most testing and destructive thing for any military force to do. The defenders have buildings and rubble to fight from; there are buildings towering above any tanks, and tunnels and sewers running below them. Cities are the graveyard of main battle tanks and most sorts of heavy equipment.

The initial breakthroughs must be made - dangerously - with infantry, and in this case will be accompanied by drones, electronic sensors, high-tech personal weapons and everything that can give the infantryman some advantage against the group of three or four defenders waiting just around the corner with an RPG (rocket-propelled grenade)."

Is there any indication of an organised armed resistance to the forthcoming?

You mean the executed babies. The babies who were deliberately killed in cold blood.

Which we assume you condemn utterly and without reservation, whether or not they were beheaded or not?

Or did you forget to do that? Because all I see are faux concern in your posts about uncertain reports about beheadings. You seem to have jumped on the uncertainty about exactly how the slaughter occurred as a way of dismissing or nor engaging with what has already been established as happening.

You seem more concerned about these points, than the actual deliberate cold blooded executions of unarmed civilians, children and babies.

In fact absolutely zero concern for the deaths in themselves -but feel free to counter that with a link to a post where you do so.

The executions themselves are the salient point.

The Arch of Titus lit up in Rome in support of Israel. Obviously the clown who's idea it was never read a history book about Titus.The very same Roman emperor who besieged Jerusalem as a General, massacred the Jews, destroyed the Temple and used it's treasure to build the colloseum in Rome?

Woops, easy mistake to make i suppose.

Levelling city blocks is indeed another story but sadly is just another part of war.

So levelling city blocks is sad but fine because war? Seriously?

I'm pretty sure it isn't.

Everything that is happening is part of war because war has very little rules, it's brutal by design.

There is man made rules but they a roundly ignored when it suits.

It isn't 'equally disgusting'. Collateral damage is not morally equivalent to the intentional torture and murder of civilians. To take pleasure and rejoice in it is worse still.

Of course I condemn the killing of babies, Israeli or Palestinian. Adults too for that matter.

However these reports are designed to excite emotions that lead to more killing.

They literally, are not.

They are saying there's a difference between civilian casualties as a result of strikes on military targets in urban locations versus a terror attack that specifically seeks to murder as many civilians as possible.

If Israel really wanted to murder Palestinian civilians simply for the sake of murdering civilians, the death toll would be 100x higher already in Gaza.

That's not condoning Israel, supporting Israel, excusing or justifying Israel, now or historically. It's literally just fact.

Some people on this thread need to stop turning this into an incredibly childish debate where every single aspect of the conflict is black and white.

No one has retracted the reports of the deaths though of Israeli and Western civilians, children and babies.

Collateral damage - Disgusting language in itself. I am not however going to defend the actions of HAMAS in any way shape or form. I will defend however, the people who have been subjected to nearly 2 decades of imprisonment at the hands of the nation of Israel.

I appreciate you are entitled to your opinion - but industrial warfare brought upon a bit of land so densely populated is nothing short of genocide.

"Genocide, the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race. "

Definition - https://www.britannica.com/topic/genocide

Thank you, this exactly what I was saying. You worded it better than me perhaps.

This conflict is not black and white. It is not a simple as saying Israel Bad, Palestine Good.

A little less emotion and a lot more level headedness is needed in this debate.

Nope, no vague both sides.

Condemn the actual fact of the executions of the Israeli babies and civilians by Hamas in the recent attacks.

No whataboutery, no howevers, no both sides, no reservations.