Peter McVerry Trust has 'financial issues'.

Criticise something I didn't say, deflect to another topic, throw in a personal insult. I am not going to engage.

But does not answer the question, do the clients get life long support, I support two charities at Christmas one is a small support/ preventing homelessness in young people type service, I do this because I knew someone who worked there and they had a lot of experience and said the service is excellent and secondly the don't activity fundraise.

You can choose support whatever charities you like.

You can't choose to tell every charity in Ireland how to run their services.

What's the problem with providing lifetime supports to people with lifetime needs?

Nothing wrong with it did I saw there was?

It's funny how society can suppress one thing only for it to arise again in another guise, the large mental hospitals had nurses, tailors, boot makers, and farm workers, in today's society it's homeless services, care workers, policy advisors.

I think that's a really interesting philosophical point.

I absolutely agree that it's not a good think for PMV or any person or business to be avoiding paying their taxes. Indeed, it seems that PMV would agree with this too. It does look like they dropped the ball here, and they should absolutely be held to account for this.

There's a big difference between that statement, and the constant, tiresome, ill-informed rants about what they do and how they do it from those who wouldn't recognise a housing support if they tripped over it, from those who have no idea about the processes in place between PMV and their various funding departments, from those who want to impose their own personal value system on a housing support service, with zero evidence to support this.

Here’s the bit you didn’t read;

from those who have no idea about the processes in place between PMV and their various funding departments,

This seems to have upset you, so sorry about that, this is a discussion site where individuals can have any opinions they like even if they are daft.

I was also mildly curious as to why some homeless services don't actively fundraise and some do.

It's not a 'philosophical question'. It is a human rights question.

You're painting a very one-sided picture of Grangegorman there. Would you like to consider the lobotomies and ECT 'therapy' given to 'cure' homosexuality and other conditions? Would you like to talk about the overcrowding, the abuse, the complete lack of any independence and dignity?

We don't lock people away because they are inconvenient or awkward for us.

I think you are probably guilty in your posts of the exact same thing you accuse others of.

There is no doubt that the poverty industry housing charities are inefficient. They add an extra layer of bureaucracy and inefficiency to something that local authorities should be empowered to do. Their raison d'etre as set out in many of their strategic plans is to increase the amount of money they get from the taxpayer.

€2,200 a month was the figure given earlier in the thread for the money spent by PMVT per client. I don't know if it is accurate, but nobody has provided a reasoned alternative amount. Do you think that is good value?

Be careful what you wish for. If you want local authorities to take on this service directly, you'll be paying all the staff at full public service rates with full public service pension entitlements. That will increase the overall costs of the service by 20-40%.

PMV's strategic goals are set out below, and do not match what you suggested. It's not entirely unreasonable for any service organisation to try to maximise their funding.

Is €2,200 per month a reasonable cost? Your opinion and my opinion on this don't matter. What matters are the opinions of the funders, who are directly involved, and who know what are the costs of the other players in the market, and what are PMVs input costs, and what are their success measures.

Your opinion and my opinion on the €2,200 per month cost are as relevant as your opinion and my opinion on the €250 million cost for a Boeing 787 jet. If we're not experts in that sector, our opinions aren't worth a toss.

Real questions now for the Board, especially the Chair of the Board.

Have been saying this for quite a while, I asked serious questions on this thread about the accounts that nobody could answer.

As a lot of the money they receive is tax payer funded then anyone and everyone's opinion is valid.

Just because they are a charity doesn't exclude them from running the business legally and by the rules they are supposedly governed by.

I think for too long this particular one has been raing it in because of the name and the man who was instrumental in setting it up.

But rules are rules. Tax payers money is and must be wholly accounted for. Rte are realising this this past summer.

We have way to many homeless charities.

And tbh if someone has 2,200 a month to live on I think they would be.soing pretty well. The amount of ceo/CFOs living off the charity industry is laughable and needs to be exposed.

Looks like he discovered what a lot of new CEOs have in the past. When the man whose name is over the door is still in the room you are not the chief of anything.

They needed to appoint a real independent experienced CEO from outside to lead the organisation and failure to do so only demonstrated that they had no intention to fix the problems only hope the crisis would blow over and the gravy train would keep running. If he is gone now I would suspect there is more seriously bad news on the way.

Well maybe some of the commenters, including yourself, should have dialled back the outrage at the questions being asked. There clearly is something badly wrong at the charity, at best there is a serious level of incompetence. What is most worrying is that the board were asked by the recently appointed CEO to bring on some others with experience to help with the governance issues. The board refused, either through pride or incompetence or something to hide. Let's wait to see what comes out.

Coke and hoors.

Very noticeable that there is no appearance from Fr McVerry following on from thr budget . If he has ‘nothing to hide ‘ then he should no go behind the door until ‘it all blows over’. He is normally first out of the traps on any announcement government makes on housing / housing related matters giving out about gov incompetence, lack of finance , eye off the ball, not really caring for the homeless , etc, etc, etc.

He/his org had only one area to manage re planning, finances, management, staffing. Gov has a rest of areas to manage , plan for , etc, etc, etc. Yet it look like that that The Thrust has seriously messed up.

‘People in glasshouses should not throw stones ‘ comes to mind.

It was mentioned on the news this morning that the Company has serious liquidity problems. For a Company with a guaranteed minimum state income that’s a shocking inditement of both the executive and the Board. Was the Board receiving regular management accounts? Were they accurate? Was any sort of budget prepared and outturns calculated?

There was also mention of some questionable spending around a hostel build.

Looking forward to hearing how McVerry himself will spin this into the fault of the government.

That Revenue “warehoused debt “ is coming back to haunt companies now

a construction company went into liquidation yesterday owing 13 million to them

Ah go way, we can't use those facts to take personalised swipes at people doing a hard job.

What was their business plan, they appear to have taken on many new staff in a very short number of recent years, 700+ now in total, we are told.

I'm having trouble understanding PMVT employing 700+ people, are these full time employees working for the charity or terminology use to describe people who access their services. Please tell me the latter.

Thanks for your life-coaching advice. I'll give it all the attention it deserves.

Why don't you remind us specifically of what 'waste and corruption' you've exposed here?