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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,293 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Looks like we've a motive on the Retention of Top Secret Documents Case

    Special counsel Jack Smith suggested that the government knows “what Trump intended” to do with the classified documents he took home to Mar-a-Lago in a Monday filing highlighted by Washington Post reporter Aaron Blake.




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    In related news that will shock almost no one , yet another MAGA hero turns out to be a complete dirt bag

    Five women have sued Tim Ballard, founder of an anti-child-trafficking group whose life story inspired the surprise summer hit "Sound of Freedom," alleging he sexually manipulated, abused and harassed them on overseas trips designed to catch child sex traffickers.

    They were travelling with him "undercover" on his anti-child trafficking "missions" and they allege that he coerced them into various sexual acts to "keep up their cover".



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The shit going on behind that movie just gets more sordid as the days go by. Not only have financiers been caught out as kidnappers and fraudsters, but the guy it's about is possibly a nonce as well.

    FFS. 🤣



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,330 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    And the constant shouting that people have made over the film, like it was some Very Important Film that must be reported - but the liberals don't want you to see - was so goddamn obnoxious. Like Maude Flanders spent too much time on Facebook



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,293 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,968 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger




  • Registered Users Posts: 29,467 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Where is Steve Scalise on the Trump supporting scale?

    He is the new nominee for speaker.


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,359 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    He voted against Bidens nomination on Jan 6th.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,423 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    ETTD



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,094 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Other than the couple of all capital words towards the end of that, there is nothing about that post to suggest that Trump had anything to do with composing or posting it. Presumably Jim Jordans secretary wrote it, and then threw in the all caps words to try and make it appear authentic.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub




  • Registered Users Posts: 82,433 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Trumps new legal filing might as well say I did an insurrection but that doesn’t disqualify me from office because I was the president




  • Registered Users Posts: 82,433 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This and the election denialism and the participation in the Green Bay Sweep. He may have the most nominating votes but he doesn’t have unanimity of the caucus

    Boebert for instance still indicating she’s voting for Trump, MTG saying she won’t vote for him because he has cancer, and Ken Buck won’t vote for anyone that denies Biden’s legitimacy to be president. Trump endorsing Jim Jordan and a McCarthy faction who still feels done in by. How many votes will it take for speaker? Roll the tootsie pop commercial

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/11/steve-scalise-jim-jordan-house-speaker/



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Don't think he has the votes on the floor to get the 217 he needs.

    Not a single Democrat will vote for him , so all that's needed for him to lose the floor vote is for 6 GOP reps to abstain or vote against him

    There are multiple small groups that won't vote for him - Between the hard core MAGA's to people like Ken Buck who has said he won't vote for anyone for speaker that is unwilling to publicly state that they accept the 2020 election results.

    He's probably 10+ votes short at the moment and hard to see how he bridges that gap.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,330 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    If this all ends up with Hakeem Jeffries getting the Speaker, I will laugh so hard I might rupture something. Ain't no way this ends with the GOP on top. The Republicans are quickly coming up behind the DUP for the party whose dogma renders them the most inept in Western politics.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,608 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    As great as Jeffries getting the position may be, it could also be terrible for the Dems as the GOP still have the majority, which means a complete stonewalling of anything Jeffries tries to do while the GOP will blame the Dems as Jeffries is Speaker. Whereas if the GOP are still tearing themselves apart and unable to get a Speaker voted through themselves, the fault for the House getting nothing done is on their backs. Even if they try to blame the Dems at that point, it just makes themselves look weaker as the Dems have no power in that situation.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I don't see any scenario where 6 GOP reps cross the aisle to vote for Jefferies.

    It will just be a series of painfully embarrassing failed votes for Scalise before he either cuts some crazy short terms deals with the loonies which will leave him permanently wounded just like McCarthy.

    The less likely alternative is that a compromise candidate emerges that can get the votes , but at this stage there's no obvious people that might fit that bill.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,433 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Reagan could come back from the grave and he still wouldn’t get the full vote of the caucus



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,433 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Oh yeah, we're right around the corner from Cheesebro's trial

    some interesting witnesses to be called: RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel, and Alex Jones, who Cheesebro was reportedly palling around with on the 6th




  • Registered Users Posts: 82,433 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Nancy Mace makes the wild claim that Democrats trust Gym Jordan, lol

    When pressed, she couldn't back this up with any names, and then tried to walk back her remarks by saying they trust him more than Kevin McCarthy, lol. She did this after a couple minutes of ruling out the Ohio Wrestling sex abuse scandal wholecloth.

    In the same interview she says that she won't vote for Scalise because he attended a white supremacist conference.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    I for one can't wait to see what anti-vaxxer Robert De Niro has to say.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,467 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06



    Just a heads up please include some context with the link or it risks deletion.

    I will add some context from de Niros takedown of Trump speaking as a New Yorker... Trump is worse than gangsters who at least have some sense of moral code however warped:

    I’ve spent a lot of time studying bad men.  I’ve examined their characteristics, their mannerisms, the utter banality of their cruelty. Yet there’s something different about Donald Trump. When I look at him, I don’t see a bad man. Truly. I see an evil one...

    Democracy won’t survive the return of a wannabe dictator.

    https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1712412461888831887

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,608 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Scalise has withdrawn from the race to be Speaker, acknowledging he won't get enough votes.

    Pretty much just leaves Gym Jordan, but also doesn't mean he'll get enough votes to win. Probably not for several rounds of voting anyway.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Jordan hasn't a hope either.

    From the latest info all it takes is 4 to abstain or vote against - There are definitely at least that many who will never vote for Jordan.

    At least Scalise had the self respect not to subject everyone to multiple failed votes.

    Compromise candidate with significant concessions to the Democrats is the only realistic pathway here.

    Not matter how this plays out , the GOP come away from it all badly damaged.

    Absolutely nothing about this disfunction says to independent voters "Pick us , we can do a good job!!"



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,330 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Also, the fact the candidates so far as racists or backers of the insurrection attempt, it also signals to voters that the GOP has become shackled to an extremist wing of the party. IMO the GOP are grossly overestimating the appetite for that flavour of politics, or the public's tolerance for MAGA cultists.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,562 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's truly weird. In any European country, they'd be the far right lunatics nobody wants to touch but in the USA they're a dominant political force.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,860 ✭✭✭Rawr


    There's some living memory in much of Europe of what living under a extreemist dictatorship looks like. I'd to think that that fallout from the subsquent generations has fostered a greater appriciation for liberal democracy. But for the Americans, their last brush with facism was over 150 years ago, and came in the guise of the technically democratic Confederate States of America. I fear that more than enough time has passed for some Americans to dangerously assume that facisim could never raise it's head in the "Land of the Free".

    So their guard is down, and the notion of comparing MAGA with Nazism is rubbished by its defenders. But the comparisons are there, and the insidious thing about facisim is that it often markets itself well and provides hope to other hopeless people that they can become part of a bigger whole that will embrace them & reward them at the potential expense of people they don't approve of.

    Before Trump managed to rebrand all of this as "MAGA", the mindset of GOP extreemists was just that: "extreemism". But now, post Trump, this is a "movement", a political force...a "cause". They will fight the Woke, they will defend Jesus, and they will safeguard the rights of "traditional legacy Americans" (or white, straight, probably Evangical Christian rural Americans) against the "Globalist Caballs!" (Read: Jewish people) and their insidious plans to replace white people with non-white people...for reasons(?).

    These people already existed, it's just that this Orange rapist lummox gave them a symbol to organise around, and now thanks to this the GOP probably can't even decide on a shared lunch order together due to Gaetz complaining that the cafe wasn't "American enough" or some similar nonsense.

    I do hope that moderate independant voters are observing all of this and remembering it for when they cast their vote.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,413 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    in the guise of the technically democratic Confederate States of America

    The word technically is doing a lot of work there. at least when the likes of Putin have an election there is some opposition standing against them.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It is not any kind of coincidence that the places where the far-right types have gained a foot-hold are those with FPTP electoral systems.

    The situation is compounded in the US where the State level control over re-districting etc. leads to ridiculous levels of gerrymandering further entrenching the minority rule that we are seeing.

    The one thing that the far-right seem to do better than everybody else is coalesce around a candidate which in FPTP is critical to success.

    That and the fact that every single public administration role in the US seems to be an elected position unlike everywhere else where these roles are all civil service positions.

    Running FPTP elections for every mickey-mouse position leads to extremists getting elected and causing a legislative shift to the right when the actual people on the ground simply do not align with those views.



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