Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Well that's a ridiculous opinion.Having ones own national flag in support of sports team isn't exactly done for virtue signalling reasons,unlike the Palestinian flag which is beloved of virtue signallers, anti-semites and cranks the world over.

Also the Omagh Bombing was 25 years ago so not exactly a very recent event and you didn't see large groups of people out celebrating it unlike the recent atrocities in Israel.

Buy yet stands with Israel doing the exact same thing.

Hamas are a quasi paramilitary/ state/ religious military force bent on retribution for hardships imposed on Palestians and in response to ever encroaching Israeli occupation of lands and creation of settlements - ethnic cleansing. They have been brutal in the last week in their actions.

Israel is a state and a very powerful one at that, armed to the teeth. That they should rain death and destruction down on millions of people in Gaza, whilst cutting all essential supplies and routes of escape, is an absolute abomination. The two sides do not equate. These events will be a great stain on the people of Israel and will cause great revulsion for many years to come. What Israel is engaged in here is a war crime on a grand scale.

Just imagine for a second how terrible ones living conditions would have to be to align themselves, support and put their trust in a radical terrorist group such as Hamas. This is how bad living in Gaza and Palestine actually has been over the years. Support for Hamas has grown over the years as Palestinians are desperate for a better life. Gaza is a ghetto and they know they deserve better.

As to this point, asked and answered and debunked already. The huff post articles says - "specifically relating to Hamas fighters in that comment". How you thought that backed up your point I dont know. It proves what I said.

Hamas fighters - those murderers, executioners of babies, childrens and civilians and rapists. Barbaric attacks. Hence why those barbaric murderers and rapists are called human animals.

And asked and answered by others:

No offence lads but this is polarisation and its throughout the thread ..

Nobody, here in Ireland especially, should underplay the effect years of oppression and being kept down without respect for civil rights can do to a population, and how terrorism thrives in such an environment.

Nor the mindset of a population, threatened existentialky fir hundreds of years and now, from all sides with its chief alliy being safely tucked thousands of miles away.

There are rights and responsibilities on both sides here.

Everyone must condemn the massacre of innocents by Hamas and their lack of care and regard for their own innocents by hiding in their midst.

Its akin to bombs being strapped to women and children /so called suicide bombers.

But now the language of Netanhayu, cordoning the area off, blocking humanitarian exit and the bombing of civilan areas in Gaza, while understandable in their fear and grief, it is still a war crime on their part also.

There are powers outside rubbing their hands gleefully Iran and possibly Russia and many Arab states, looking to start WW3 or to divert attention maybe from somewhere else, and US and other countries in Europe walking into it with " we atand by Israel" emblazoned on their chests.!

Do you know what?

I don't stand with Israel..nor Hamas .

I stand with the innocents on both sides, slaughtered babies and children and women and young people raped, killed or maimed for life, and why? We cannot let this go on and we cannot take sides because thats what the war mongers want.. to have us take a Stand with one side or the other.

There needs to be voices for peace, brokers who will try to stop this before the evil hawks get what they want.. A bloody war that at best will result in many more innocents dead, at worst another major war involving everyone.

If they know they deserve better, wouldn't a positive first step be to oust Hamas from Gaza?

@Furze99 Hamas are a quasi paramilitary/ state/ religious military force bent on retribution for hardships imposed on Palestians.

No they are nothing but your average Islamist terrorist group,they don't give 2 fecks about the average Palestinian in Gaza along with their leadership living the high Life in Qutar and Dubai,

What have they done for Gazans brought nothing but Death and suffering and they kill Palestinians too

Why did they not let the women and children out then?

Its going on all the time here and is disgusting. Nobody will answer on why the Israelis wont allow the women and children out of Gaza? Thewhole thing is sick.

Look on the bright side. At least we have all had a very strong border policy, imagine if we just had open borders with no checks we could have millions of people roaming around ready to cause havoc at any time.

The 1.7m Israeli Muslims are very well aware that they enjoy far higher living standards than in all the Arab nations around them. And that's recognising a degree of discrimination against them.

They are not ripe for radicalization.

I think this is wishful thinking only - the realpolitik is that Israel has overwhelming political, military and economic superiority. It has no incentive to do this.

In addition, the traditional Arab allies of Palestine have largely given up on them.

waving a flag is just waving a flag.

if the IDF slaughter and desicrate children that is on the IDF only.

Truly the Palestinians are an unlucky people. They've been unlucky in the various idiots they've chosen to lead them. They've been unlucky in their choice of allies. They've been unlucky in geopolitical trends far beyond their control.

But they have made some terrible choices down that road.