Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

There are many similarities and many differences between the two situations. To draw a comparison between the tactics of Putin and Netanyahu are on the face of them almost identical situations. However, with Russia and Ukraine, it’s a long drawn out war. With Gaza and Israel it will be a couple of days maybe couple of weeks max. Restricting supplies for two weeks is nothing like switching off heat in icy winter for Ukraine where mass freezing to death is likely.

Gaza needs to be evacuated to prevent humanitarian crisis. Not so with Russia. Because of the proximity of Gaza and the enclosed nature of it, a restriction of essentials clears the space and prevents the civilians getting bombed by getting them out. You might say the same applies with Ukraine. But it doesn’t because it is a much larger land mass.

Civilians are much less likely to be hit because the combatants are in the open on the front lines. The combatants don’t endanger their civilians. So you don’t need to clear them of the land by starving them out in Ukraine. Any attempt to starve them out there is, and this is the key difference, an attempt to kill civilians not get them out of the target area.

Finally, let’s look at the leaders. Putin is holding down his population in bondage due to false elections and mass propoganda. Netanyahu as bad as he is isn’t near using nukes or threatening to use them. He doesn’t kill his political opponents and operates in a democracy. Democracies are less likely to go to war than autocracies. Israel is threatened regularly and in that sense is fighting for survival. Russia is making a land grab with little chance of it being made extinct.

This tweet from Von Der Leyen is in no comparable to the war in Gaza. War in Ukraine and the cutting off supplies food, water and gas there totally different and much more sinister than Netanyahu trying to clear Gaza to prevent humanitarian disaster. One (Gaza/Netanyahu) is designed to prevent humanitarian disaster, the other situation (Ukraine/Putin) is done specifically to target civilians and cause humanitarian disaster.

Hamas started this. They started a horrible chain of events. It is an escalation of the status quo realities as bad as they may be. Hamas are fighting an unwinnable war. When you look at the various ways of resolving this or winning the war from their perspective it is unwinnable.

Therefore the only way of fighting is for the complete annihilation of the planet. No outcome results in them winning their land back. That’s not stubbornness by the west, it’s a calculation based on the militaries in this and the various regional and global escalation points if it escalates beyond regional conflict.

So the outcome is not possible for Hamas and you therefore have to call them madmen. At what point do you not value your own life over your belief in a piece of land or trying to prove yourself right beyond death and say I am going to take my family and make a better life for myself elsewhere.

Take your family and get out. The stubbornness of belief in history and nationalism is a form of mental sickness and we see it all too often and everywhere nowadays all over the world. Get out, make a life for yourself, never forget your loved ones but make the world a better place not a horrible warlike place.

Israel is going nowhere and never will do the war is not winnable for Hamas and Hezbollah. Israel will give them hope of starting another generation but if they don’t learn the lessons and start another war in another generation the same will happen again. Calling score on war crimes and oneupsmanship is futile in this situation.

the weaponizing of imagined/concocted "atrocities" in order to demonize your enemy is an age old tactic. it makes it much easier to slaughter them once you've demonized them.

the Jews of all people ought to understand this.

They can’t win. That’s different from not being defeated. They won’t be defeated because Israel follows humanitarian law and will allow them to resettle and regrow.