Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

What about this much lauded Israeli intelligence apparatus? Are you telling me they don't know who they are looking for?

The Palestinians never accepted Israel in the first place.

The UN voted for resolution 181(II) for the partition of Palestine between Jews and Arabs. The Arabs rejected this and launched a war which they lost.

80 years later, they still go on about it and do not accept the right of Israel to exist.

We should be looking at the safest option for civilians.

UN does something pro-Israel: BAD!

UN does something anti-Israel (e.g., Zionism as racism resolution): GOOD!

Just anti-semitic to think otherwise. Like BDS and revisionism like "Naqba."

Need props for their parades.

I think it's somewhat naive and childish to say this is "revenge" in the simplistic sense of the word.

Obviously some Israeli's will see it that way, but this is about pulverizing and destroying Hamas, a Jihadi terror organisation, and neutralizing its capability to carry out anything remotely on that scale ever again.

Is it about pulverizing and destroying Hamas? Or is that itself too simplistic? Is it even achievable?

The likes of Hamas give Israel the excuses it needs to commit war crimes. I mean there is no excuses, but they use it as one.

Netanyahu sees Hamas as an asset not a burden, as long as Hamas exists a Palestine state is not achievable.

Again though there is serious questions being asked in Israel, apparently it was reported in Israeli media before the attack that Hamas had been training for weeks on the border, it also transpires that a IDF battalion normally stationed in the South and were due back there on the Friday before the attacks were told stay in the West Bank looking over a pray meeting.

Given American intelligence have confirmed the Egyptian intelligence and claims, Bibi has some serious questions to answer.

Where does that say they were there as a soldier? Well? They attended the festival, they witnessed the attacks.

Yes in a rush to post I got the gender of the witness wrong. How exactly is that material? Or is it just another excuse you latch onto to avoid engaging with the evidence?

And you are obviously accusing them of lying. Because you do not accept their testimony.

Something which you denied only 2 posts back! So how is that telling the truth?

So you asked: "Can you show me where I said an eye witness lied about rape?"

Clearly, your own posts are proof of it.

Either you accept their evidence that rapes occurred or obviously you are accusing them of lying.

Which is it?

You have not condemned Hamas for the act of killing babies. Find me the post where you did so or you know, you could just do so instead of engaging in semantic games.

There is abundant evidence of Hamas executing babies.

There is abundant evidence of Hamas mutilating babies.

Stop pretending there isn't.

@SafeSurfer no evidence 40 babies were beheaded....

My Last post on this .

There is nobody going about 40 Babies on here other than you, page after page after page your going on about the same thing rapidly followed by denial after denial ....

Nobody else is doing this but you ,you done nothing but brought a lot of attention on yourself for some pretty disgusting reasons.

That's it.

Sure have a chat with Hamas and see what they think about civilians

Those who carried out the atrocities are all dead. The planners will be killed in the next few months and however long it takes after that. Chief among them will be Dief. He has survived seven attempts on his life so far. I don't think he will survive an eighth. Any right minded person won't shed a tear over his death. The new departure will be if Israel goes after the al qassam and Hamas leadership in exile. Will the Billionaire Mashal be targeted ?some pro Israeli posters will deny it but the Israeli right and Hamas have two things in common : they don't give a crap about Palestinians civilians and neither of them wants peace with the other. So even if Israel reach their objective of purging Hamas from Israel and a more moderate government forms in Gaza nothing will change with Likud and the far right in power in Israel. The West Bank is proof of it. To the pro Israelis on here that's still not Israel's fault, because for them they can do no wrong in their eyes.

A number of newspapers in the UK have seen pictures of the baby victims of Hamas. They are refusing to publish the pictures because they are too distressing, so people like you who want to pore over those pictures to find a gotcha moment that Israel is not telling the truth will be disappointed not to get your thrill.

The stories are harrowing.

"A rescue team who visited the kibbutz, where the smell of rotting bodies still hangs in the air, told how they saw a pregnant lady lying on the floor of the first house they walked into. When they turned her over, they saw that her unborn baby had been sliced from her womb. 

'We saw a pregnant lady lying on the floor, and then we turn her around and see that the stomach is cut open, wide open,' Yossi Landau, an aid worker at the NGO Zaka, told i24News, his voice cracking with emotion. 

'The unborn baby, still connected with umbilical cord, was stabbed with a knife. And the mother was shot in the head. And you use your imagination, trying to figure out what came first.'"

There are posters like you on this thread, denying the reality of the genocidal campaign of Hamas, just like there were people who denied the reality of the genocidal actions of the Nazis. A proportionate response to this genocide is needed, just like in World War 2.

Of course, you will come back and say, but, but, but, where are the pictures of the beheaded babies. Take a long hard look at yourself.

To be fair, there were a lot of posts about it when it was first presented as truth. It was useful fodder for some and immediately latched onto in their confirmation bias that Palestinians are sub-human. So it was very important then. But then when it looked like there was no reliable source for the story, it switched to criticizing people asking about the source. Then when no confirmation was forthcoming still, people switched to saying it didn't matter.

If it mattered enough to you for it to be significant when you thought it was true, it should matter enough for you for it to be highlighted that there isn't actually a reliable source for it at all. That is all (I understand) SafeSurfer to be doing.

ok fair enough. We will leave it there.