Global warming

In an Irish context we are farming Cattle in places on Land that cannot support cattle, the ground simply isn’t strong enough.

The environment doesn’t suit. If a farm need’s 6 - 8 month’s of silage to keep cattle wouldnt we all agree then that Cattle aren’t suited to that place?

What will work really well in Ireland is conservation & resting land to restore biodiversity, habitat etc

Thats because we have year round rain

But in seasonal rainfall environment’s, over two third’s of the planet, That land has to have animals on it to keep it healthy. But they need to managed properly, Bunched & moving.

And we are following the science, the peer reviewed papers, all the experts.

Go to the Grand Canyon and you’ll see as far as the eye can see land turning to desert. It’s under conservation. Resting the land. No animals, no soil disturbance. All understand conventional management the best we have. And has been for decades.

That area is in absolutely shocking condition.

We can use Yellowstone National park also as an example. They reintroduce wolves as a key species and the ecosystem has greatly improved.

See its all very subjective isn’t it, what some say will work others say it wont.

Did Bramble explain how The desert in Utah is going to help fix itself? Or sequester carbon? Isn’t there soil In Utah? How did that get there? But that’s one example. And Utah is one of those environments that it would be without a doubt very challenging conditions to farm.

But lets take an environment like texas or Arizona. They get Rain, yet land is still deteriorated.

See it’s all about the context and planning.

Savorys a scientist also. You believe one but not the other? Thats your opinion, your belief, that’s ok. People used to believe the earth was flat & slavery was acceptable.

Bullshit, covid was a complete and utter **** show and everybody knew it. Not one bit of common sense came out of it after the initial first few weeks. You need a mask to go into a restaurant & get to your table. Then it was safe to take off the mask. Get real man.

there’s no hope for people like you, no doubt a George Monbiot supporter also.

Savory is right, and time will prove it.

You wanna no what the world will be like when 80 - 90 % of it turns to desert? Look at the sahara. And no amount of windmills or solar or electric cars is going to fix that.

If you need to read a peer reviewed paper to see how everything works then you havent an original thought in your head.

Very sad to see the brainwashing taking place.

I have read it and he missed a key part of it.

“When there are too many cows in places with intermittent or little rain, where the vegetation is brittle and the soil fragile, the animals spell trouble. Overgrazing denudes the soil and produces erosion, which leads to a landscape where plants can't revive and grow”

Now what I’m about to say is the key thing. Once the animals are taken away from where they’ve been grazing. After enough time passes that land starts to regenerate. Plants grow, habitat restores, biodiversity comes back.

“Cattle grazing produced such a transformation in the environment of the American West that its introduction, in the late 19th century, has been compared to a geologic event. Cattle have been implicated in the eradication of native plants, the loss of biodiversity, the pollution of springs and streams, the erosion of stream banks, the exacerbation of floods that carry away soil, the deforestation of hardwoods, and, in the worst cases, a reduction of living soil to lifeless dust. Two centuries of grazing on the Colorado Plateau catalyzed the most severe vegetation changes in 5,400 years, one study concluded”

That land wasnt mangaged holistically. It was different management.

“In Savory's universe, ungrazed land, known as "rested" land, will always wither away. "It's just wrong," said Brewer. A substantial number of studies on desert grassland have found that with rest, grass cover "increases dramatically," while "intensive grazing delays this recovery."

With rest they will recover no doubt, but after enough time and no grazing of animals on those lands, they turn to desert.

There can be no doubt about that. Because if Mr Brewer is right land is rested like it has been for decades then we should find no desertification. Arizona should look like Ireland. Australia should look like Ireland.

But there not, we find desertification is getting worse every year in these environments.

Over resting land is Cancer for Biodiversity & Habitat in Seasonal Rainfall environment’s. Which make up over two third’s of the planet!! there can’t be any argument against that! They need animals managed properly to stay healthy.

Its like taking a heart, brain or lungs away from a person.

A picture say’s a thousand words.

I’m putting up this photo to illustrate the sheer size and scale of the problem.

Now that’s some chunk of land and water & the potential to store carbon in it has to be absolutely enormous.

See above. Gone very quiet all of a sudden here.