Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

13-10-2023 12:47pm

You’ll get him on his hobby horse again.

Try usIng the ignore settings instead

thomas 123 · 13-10-2023 12:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232058#Comment_121232058

Its a scary thought and example from them - but it just shows America does what suits America not their peoples moral standing. Many conflicted sailors and airmen there at the moment I'd imagine.

SafeSurfer · 13-10-2023 12:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121231937#Comment_121231937

1500 Hamas fighters bodies have been recovered inside Israel. Not as a result of the bombing in Gaza. Those are additional, mostly civilians.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/10/hamas-prepared-for-a-long-war-with-israel-as-concerns-for-hostages-in-gaza-grow

hymenelectra · 13-10-2023 12:49pm

It's time for europe to distance itself from this crackpot stuff.

It's never going to end as it is, and the more and more the populations of these places increase in Europe, the more and more we are going to directly pay. Just for one tiny example, a school teacher in france murdered on Friday.

Or else go all in we'll take charge of the place like they're misbehaved children.

One or the other, but enough of Europeans dying indiscriminately and directly because of looney tunes on a different continent.

Raoul Duke III · 13-10-2023 12:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232058#Comment_121232058

Blinken literally stood beside Netanyahu in a press conference yesterday and said two things:

Israel has the right to defend itself
Israel must abide by international law

The second one is key.

Burty330 · 13-10-2023 12:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232040#Comment_121232040

The undisputable fact is that the country of Israel is on Palestinian land.

That doesn't mean anything. Palestinian territory was mandated by the British. . Before that is was Ottoman Empire land. Before that it was Roman land who named it Philistina. Before that it was Judea.

The 1948 war wasn't Arab vs migrating Jews. Its was civil war against those already living on the territory. You don't actually believe impoverished Jews Fleeing Hitler were able to fight a war against the local Arab and win do you? Well , thats what a lot of people believe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War

nonyabidness23 · 13-10-2023 12:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232009#Comment_121232009

Do explain how Israel a nuclear armed state is going to be annihilated?

The reality is Israel could have drove out the terrorists and sealed the boarder again and increased security. That would result in alot less dead jews that what a ground invasion is going to cost them and would give them the complete moral high ground in any decisions to be made in future.

Gatling · 13-10-2023 12:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232058#Comment_121232058

Hamas is committing War Crimes on Gazans

Boggles · 13-10-2023 12:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232098#Comment_121232098

Israel must abide by international law

Or what?

They don't abide by international law and have never done.

What part of starving a populous is allowed in international law?

CorkRed93 · 13-10-2023 12:53pm

well we all know they've broken international law. luckily for israel there are no consequences for them when they do it.

TedBundysDriver · 13-10-2023 12:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121231904#Comment_121231904

I'd be careful about everything Israel is putting out for the next few days and weeks. They will use every propaganda angle they possibly can to justify their murderous actions. You can take "unverified" sources from them to basically mean made up nonsense.

nonyabidness23 · 13-10-2023 12:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121231990#Comment_121231990

You are obviously one of these wannabe rambo types.

There is nothing Ivory tower about calling for basic human needs to be met for civilians, anyone with a brain in there head knows hamas arent going without water, im sure if they managed to smuggle in 5000 rockets they brought food and supplies too.

Its the average joe and there children, the sick, the elderly ect that are getting the brunt of the lack of water and food not the terrorists.

You're a big man calling for the extremes to continue from the comfort of your own home.

taratee · 13-10-2023 12:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121231987#Comment_121231987

I think it's lose-lose for Israel though isn't it. If they stop attacking at this point, Hamas have won. It would be a huge victory for Hamas, and it'd act as a template for more attacks in the future. If they continue with the attack, thousand of innocent people will die, and they will be criticized for doing so. The good will and sympathy from the international community is not going to last forever.

Gatling · 13-10-2023 12:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232116#Comment_121232116

Both sides have broken international laws repeatedly.

The consequences for both are what we are currently watching

Burty330 · 13-10-2023 12:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232116#Comment_121232116

If Israel has to face action , so would the USA who have been engaging illegal warfare since the end of WW2. The brutal Democratic war machine has a way of convincing people they are the good guys.

Homelander · 13-10-2023 1:08pm

Still waiting for credible real world alternatives as to what Israel should be doing.

So far there's been no answers, with people basically skirting around saying "Israel should have done nothing".

We had one or two people suggest that the IDF should have just gone in on the ground. An army walking into a dense urban area with every aspect of Hamas intact, fortifications, tunnels, command centres, intelligence, etc.

That would be a bloodbath and I don't mean for IDF soldiers or Hamas fighters, I mean for civilians.

Civilian deaths are never OK or acceptable, and I don't think the vast majority of people ever felt differently, but they are inevitable in war as abhorrent as they are.

So what do people think Israel should have done in response? It's not a smart question but a genuine one.

It also comes from a position of not being pro-Israel, being deeply anti-Hamas, and holding a genuine acceptance that the Palestinian people have been suffering badly for decades.

I also think terms like "genocide" are being thrown around far too recklessly and causing the word to lose all meaning. I don't think anyone would argue that the number of Palestinian deaths since 1948 is acceptable, justified, or OK, nor are the conditions in Gaza.

But if Israel's plan is actually a genocide is must be a 1,000 year plan. More jews were killed in a a few weeks in Germany's extermination camps than Israel has killed in 70+ years. Again, that's not to take away anything from the plight of Palestinians, nor justify or excuse anything Israel is doing or has done, but a bit of perspective and real-world logic is needed here.

odyssey06 · 13-10-2023 1:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232102#Comment_121232102

Can you not think of a scenario in which Israel is attacked in circumstances under which it would be difficult to respond directly with nuclear weapons?

How does you use nuclear weapons if your own small territory has been infiltrated and over-run? If the enemy is near your own cities?

This is not Russia with its vast expanses.

This is not America or China who could lose a city with the population of Israel and carry on as a superpower.

This is not Britain with its island moat.

Sudden Valley · 13-10-2023 1:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232104#Comment_121232104

But I think you will find a different entity is killing civilians in Gaza now. Perhaps both Israel and Hamas can commit war crimes.

brickster69 · 13-10-2023 1:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232108#Comment_121232108

International law died a long time ago. They never even got a parking ticket for what they did, it's a wonder they have the nerve to show their faces in that region again.

TomTomTim · 13-10-2023 1:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232040#Comment_121232040

The undisputable fact is that the country of Israel is on Palestinian land.

It's highly disputable though. Claiming that your opinions are facts never gets you too far.

Boggles · 13-10-2023 1:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232148#Comment_121232148

Still waiting for credible real world alternatives as to what Israel should be doing.

I can't tell you what they should be doing.

But the UN is telling them shouldn't be starving 2 million people to death.

Is that real world enough for you?

hymenelectra · 13-10-2023 1:18pm

Israel is where it is because it was put there. It was put there to serve a function and it serves that function well. Chaos in the middle east is precisely what was going to happen.

If one were interested in peace solely, you'd move israel to some artifical island in the southern Atlantic and be done with it. Nobody would care or have beef with it.

So we should write that on a piece of paper, hand it to them as the last suggestion and peace out, God's speed, brush our hands of it all.

Europe as a matter of necessity needs to get its act together. No more creeping Muslim extremes seeping in, no more "freedom of religion" which is a byword for only one religion, a disentanglement of Jewish influence from European politics and just cut it all loose.

Yeah, some people made a bollvk of things generations ago. Well that was generations ago and it has nothing to do with us any more.

Long Sean Silver · 13-10-2023 1:18pm

The IDF fascist propaganda machine is releasing "accounts" of cannibalism having taken place by HAMAS. if this is true, then it is truly shocking and deserves condemnation by all right thinking people. we await further details.

Boggles · 13-10-2023 1:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232160#Comment_121232160

Why do Israel have nuclear weapons so?

ArthurDayne · 13-10-2023 1:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232102#Comment_121232102

That's it really — there are a lot of people proclaiming the virtue of the hard-man approach and criticising the so-called softly-softly approach of armchair hippies. But if one does want cold, hard realpolitik in all this, the reality is that last Saturday was the day when Israel had the chance to re-write the entire narrative of the conflict. The sheer level of bloodlust and savagery of the Hamas attack, outing themselves as the Islamist fanatic cultists that they are, was the most significant demonstration in the history of the conflict of the sincerity of Israel's concerns in defending its people.

The path they are choosing seems to do nothing but parade the values of the Western liberal order as a sham — and that might is right.

13-10-2023 1:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232187#Comment_121232187

Many people arguing against Israel on the basis that they shouldn't enter Gaza because it will lead to civilian deaths, have no answer to how Israel should reasonably respond.

TedBundysDriver · 13-10-2023 1:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232148#Comment_121232148

Go after the Iranian leadership because that's the root cause of all of this. Go after Hamas funding. Take out Hamas leadership when they travel abroad (there is some in Dubai right now) etc... there's loads of options besides killing innocent children. Israel aren't dealing with the problem now either btw if that's what you think no more than invading Iraq dealt with the causes of 9/11 for the US. This is just Israel lashing out like the bullies they are and it won't solve the issue in fact it will have the complete opposite effect.

KilOit · 13-10-2023 1:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232019#Comment_121232019

There's no point stopping now. Israel must clear all of Hamas out of Gaza, no point kicking the can down the road for another terrorist attack.

Every civilian death is the fault of Hamas, they will kill every Palestinian to get their way

Homelander · 13-10-2023 1:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232187#Comment_121232187

I think everyone would agree with that. But it doesn't address the question about taking on Hamas militarily.

TedBundysDriver · 13-10-2023 1:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232194#Comment_121232194

It's so transparent what the IDF are doing it's actually pathetic. Before the day ends Hamas will be responsible for covid and climate change.

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