Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

go watch CH4 news at 7pm last night, GRIM . They have a guy reporting from inside Gaza. In fact you should tune into their news every night. CH4 fired queasitons at Herzog last night too , got heated. Like all guerilla warfare, hamas wont be thwarted i dont think , it'll be the innocent ppl they hide behind who are being wiped out, like always.

But overall, this is sickening to watch and hear everything. Pretty soon , as in days, nobody will be able to put a count of the thousands of innocent dead in GAZA.

the US & UK atre stretched with UKRAINE/RUSSIA , Nth Korea / CHINA/ Taiwan etc.....and everything else going on. be careful what you bite off, but i thnk its too late for all that now.

I dont know how Iarael will root out hamas - hamas need to be held to account for last weekend,absolutely. but thats no reason for israel to keep the bombing the place into oblivion, almost there. on a quest for utter annihilation of the gaza strip - becuase thats what are are doing right now.

You cant kill over 2 million ppl to reach 110 thousand of hamas, i think is the number they reckon there are of hamas ? - if you think this is justified, take a look at yourself.

Can they not take them on but at least turn the water back on?

Can they stop bombing the one entrance that allows humanitarian aid in?

Can they stop blowing up ambulances?

You asked for alternatives. Israel have most of the choices here. To suggest they don't is not reality.

Prioritise increased security and address the situation that allowed Hamas though in the first place.

Increased efforts into uncovering an cutting off supply chains for Hamas to limit the weaponary they can get into Gaza.

Recognise the need for civilian evacuation and support UN directives to allow for the greatest number of civilians possible to be removed from the Warzone prior to entering Gaza.

The above might not work, but at least a respects the idea that there are civilians that have the right to remove themselves from danger.

The idea that cutting water and power, levelling entire areas, setting unrealistic evacuation timelines for over a million people before going in for more destruction is somehow necessary is what I really disagree with. I don’t think it will result in the destruction of Hamas or increase security for Israel.

So you think the only option is to starve the populous to death, raze the city and slaughter civilians?

You sure about that?

They do have the capability to fire a missile in through an open window. They could exact revenge on those responsible without committing genocide.

More countries hate Iran around the Middle East but overall, everyone kinda hates each other, whole region is a cluster ****

have criticised those governments as well.

the communist party of china, putin, assad ETC are fascists as netanyahu.

That's the entire point though Rapidash — reasonable solutions are harder to articulate on forums like these because they are nuanced and hard to formulate, they require setting aside the temptation to rush to easy answers. It is the antithesis of reason to surmise that the fact that an alternative does not easily reveal itself permits anything and everything. In other words, it's entirely intellectually, morally and even strategically justifiable to say that what Israel is doing to Gaza now is not reasonable — even if we mere faraway citizens cannot present the perfect way forward, much the same way the decades of diplomacy and bloodshed have not either.

This is all the more so as there no Palestinian tanks rolling across the plains, no Palestinian air force, no Palestinian allies with warships in the Meditteranean, no fighting force in Gaza capable of occupying Israel or threatening its existence. Gaza is surrounded and Israel has full strategic flexibility to plan at its own timing.

This was always going to happen. Rightly so, most countries were appalled by the terrorist attacks in Israel and countrys offered support and made statements condemning it etc... we've seen Israeli flags and building being lit up in support.

However, now that Israel has decided on the route they are going down, you will hear more and more countries change their tune, well not change per se, just reminding Israel to abide by international law, proportionate response.

Already the news headlines are shifting the focus away from the terrorist attacks and on to the looming humanitarian crisis looming in Gaza.

The only people I’ve seen cheering on deaths of innocent people have been Palestinians. That and using a kidnapped 80 year old’s face on a pizza ad.

Israel is like the US they only want to listen to other countries if they are receiving praise or sympathy. The Israeli leadership will only stop killing civilians if they asked to by the US or their own population and I have zero faith in either.