Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

the old,

”so what you’re saying is?”

”are you saying?”

”so you think?”

”so you support?”

why not read what is actually stated and try tackling the actual argument instead of rewording it to suit your point of view and/or make the poster look like a monster on whatever side you don’t like?

And before that, the holy land was the historical homeland of the Jews. They have as much claim to this land as native Americans have in the USA or aboriginals in Australia.

They may have received support from the US and others, but they have successfully fought and won their own wars against overwhelming odds in the case of the 6 day war and Yom Kippur war.

What would you have them do? Just up and leave, and if that’s your logic, would you apply that in Norther Ireland and ask all the Protestants to up and leave given that they “stole” the land they now occupy.

but how exactly?

Sums it up really.

the only people buying this false narative are the far/alt/hard right.

everyone else knows it's absolute bollox.

the reason they are starving the people is to starve them because israel wants to settle that land and ultimately ethnically cleanse the population long term.

israel created hamas in the first place and had been funding them and likely still are funding them indirectly so it's not in their interests to actually get rid of them.

hamas like any gurilla organisation aren't exactly going to wait around so a military can kill them, so this mythical separation of hamas that israel apparently wants to engage in is going to fail anyway and it's not even their point.

by the way just to clarify, israel is not in a fight for it's survival.

it never was either, that was just a myth put out by israely generals to justify the 1967 border expansion.

Rut perez one of the hostages taken by Hamas from the supernova festival 17 years old and suffers from muscular dystrophy and needs to be fed by a feeding tube she likey needs other medications and medical assistance

you are correct, corbyn is not and never was an anti-semite apart from in the minds of the hard/far/alt right elements of the british press.

in fact he implemented possibly the most robust policy ever implemented by a political party in relation to anti-semitism and managed to clean up the party dispite all that was against him in doing it.

even at that, as disgraceful as the issue of anti-semitism was in the labour party it was a lot smaller then made out but was jumped on by the far right which is just as disgusting as the problem itself was.

ironically the far right don't actually care about jewish people, they only pretend to do so because they aren't muslims, but they still actually hate them because they spout anti migrant and anti non-white hatred which will effect jewish people as well as some will be migrants and some will be non-white.

But not uncommon you can find hundreds of these clips, showing young Muslims all over the world calling others to rise up and kill Christians and Jews and yes we get similar with white Supremisists to other extremists but after what we saw with the rise of Isis and previous cases with Abu Qatada ,Abu Hamza and other hate speech clerics they inspire and support terrorists from the safety of the UK these are the ones we need to be most concerned with

Muslims lie to non muslims, it's a principle of their religion!

"taqiya is the action of committing a sinful act (such as feigning unbelief) for a pious goal. Hiding one's beliefs under compulsion is common in many societies and religions. It has been a feature of Islam since its earliest days, and is acknowledged by Muslims of virtually all persuasions"

No mention of how she went missing but whatever. No doubt the Hamas heroes who kidnapped her will release her soon. Surely they can see that she has not stolen any land etc etc.

No mention how she went missing?

How do you think she went missing?

They didn't own it. Why do people think that the ancestors of people that once lived in a region have the right to suddenly decide to travel to the lands their ancestors once lived in and start demanding to be handed the land to own, regardless of who was currently living there and owns it. 100's of thousands of people were told to leave their homes and land they legitimately owned to make way for Zionist settlers.

Religion should play no part in who owns what piece of ground and no mater what is written down in thousands of years old texts about what god said about that region should matter a damn either. It isn't their "homeland", they should never have been given it in the first place, it was a huge mistake. A mistake which has caused decades of slaughter and huge amounts of money being pumped into Israel to try and keep a hold of this state they claim is theirs based on ancient stories.

Then to ensure this new nation decreed by "god" continues to survive, they take more and more land and plant more and more settlers from around the world in place of the people who were already living there. Look up the videos of Jews coming from around the world and waltzing into the homes of people who are being illegally evicted. And look at the financial assistance they received to go there. For example, a family from US claiming to be Jewish could emigrate to Israel under the law of return and get $20,000 of a grant to help them get set up, 50% relief on their housing, huge tax exemptions, free healthcare (they wouldn't get that in the US), free education for their kids and assistance with gaining employment. So they couldn't care less who they are pushing out and they've been doing it for decades.

When you talk about protestant settlers and should they leave, it's a bit late now isn't it, and that's the point when it comes to Israel and why there was such resistance to them being given that state in the first place, once your in and you hold a claim on it for long enough, then as far as everyone is concerned it's now your and it's unfair to ask you to leave again. The recent violence against Israel isn't a new thing, this has been a constant continuation of resistance from back to the beginning against a state that should never have existed.

But when people around the world hear of the latest trouble in the middle east, they assume it's them uncivilised lunatic Arabs kicking off again, that they are just pure evil, that they have always been unreasonable and violent just for the sake of violence. That Israel have every right to pound them into the ground.

If Israel wants to survive then they are doing all the things right now that will ensure their survival, and that's wiping out the people who never agreed with the creation of their state in the first place. It's extremely sad to see so many around the world who don't understand why it is morally wrong for them to do so. They've done a magnificent PR job throughout the last 75 years or so.

Ask the person I replied to.

Ok, am i understanding you correctly, your saying the reason she wont be sleeping in her family home tonight like she normally does is because its not because she was kidnapped by Hamas, but because Israel is reacting in exactly the manner Hamas knew and wanted them to react

Hamas only want Martyrs, they dont care at all about the Palestinian people

They knew exactly how this would play out and went ahead anyway, while they hide in their tunnels and there leaders watch from Abu Dhabi or wherever not from Gaza anyway