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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭francois




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,454 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    ETTD.

    Amusing that Scalise has bailed and now Jordan's back on the radar, after having endorsed Scalise. And rumors of a '90 day temporary Speaker' so they can work this out. Constitution, anyone?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    There will be at least as many that won't vote for Jordan.

    They are utterly broken as a "party" - They are just a random collection of fringe groups that hate each other now.

    There isn't a single candidate out there capable of getting even 75% of the GOP House to vote for them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,422 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Apparently some won't now vote for Jordan, as they believed his concession speech when he lost was disgraceful lol



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,433 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    bahahaha

    “Yesterday in conference, he gave the most disgraceful, ungracious — I can’t call it a concession speech — of all time," Rep. Ann Wagner (R-MO) told Politico. "There were gasps in the room.”

    Wagner, who supported Scalise, said she would "absolutely not" flip her support to Jordan.

    The concession speech wasn't the only reason Wagner said she couldn't get behind the House Judiciary Committee chairman's bid to win the gavel.

    Wagner said she was briefed on a private meeting between Scalise and Jordan, one she didn't attend, that included Jordan trying to strong-arm Scalise into backing him if he failed to win after one round of votes.

    "You get one ballot," Jordan said, according to the briefing Wagner received. "And when you go down, you will nominate me."

    Russell Dye, Jordan's spokesman, has denied the conversation happened the way Wagner and others have repeated it, saying the interaction was "entirely cordial."

    With at least one guaranteed "no" vote, Jordan's future speakership is on the rocks, even before he has told House Republicans he wants to be reconsidered.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,433 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I was listening to the Strike Force Five podcast and they all had nothing but good things to say about DeNiro (other than the fact they had hard times on their talk shows getting him to give more than 1-word answers to questions, lol) Fallon praised his willingness to go along with this bit for his first night:


    https://strikeforcefive.com/

    12~ hours of content I recommend, some of the laughs here will be incredibly timeless. Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert, John Oliver, Seth Meyers, ft. Jon Stewart, David Letterman, a Nicaraguan Dictator's Pants (this is true) and Ryan Reynolds.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,363 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    A case has been brought in Colorado to disqualify Trump from standing for election as the next President, based on article 14 of the US constitution. The question before the court is whether he engaged in insurrection. Has it been established that there was an insurrection though? Or will this case have to prove that point before deciding that he engaged in it? Or was his engagement itself the insurrection? Or am I misunderstanding the situation completely?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z9Yl4t8Ero



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,454 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Registered Users Posts: 28,363 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Yes, I realise that, but the question still stands.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,454 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    I think the way it works, is the court will establish whether the events of the 6th met its (the courts) definition of insurrection, whether TFG engaged in it and therefore is ineligible to run for office.


    One can hope the court will; of course, there'll be appeals up to the SCOTUS.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,298 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    I think there's every chance that this could go as far as the Supreme Court. Trump is continually offering "comfort" to people convicted of crimes on January 6th by floating the idea of pardoning them. If that isn't classed as providing comfort to insurrectionists then I don't know what is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,363 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    The 14th amendment states 'insurrection or rebellion'.

    On the one hand the dictionary definition or rebellion is 'open, armed, and usually unsuccessful defiance of or resistance to an established government', but also 'opposition to one in authority or dominance' (Merriam Webster). Britannica says its 'an effort by many people to change the government or leader of a country by the use of protest or violence' Collins Dictionary says 'A rebellion is a violent organized action by a large group of people who are trying to change their country's political system'.

    Merriam Webster's meaning of insurrection is 'the act or an instance of revolting especially violently against civil or political authority or against an established government'.

    Insurrection and rebellion are synonyms of each other.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,433 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 82,433 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭Rawr


    They’re saying Rudy is getting some form of income from his past shenanigans, but I’d have to wonder about that. He should certainly be paying damages to these people, but I kind of put Rudy in the same group as Mike Lindell. People who went all in on Trump, hoping it would pay off in the end, and then ended up losing their means of income thanks to nonsense related to Trump.

    Lindell is likely peniless now, and any damages to Dominion / Smartmatic will likely go unpaid since the cash doesn’t exist. I kind of suspect the same with Rudy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,599 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    I very much doubt they are penniless.

    These people always have plenty of ways to put money away from lawsuits etc

    You won't be seeing either of them getting a bus down to Walmart any time soon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,454 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Lindell can cry into his pillow. Creepy nutbar with his farcical 'technical investigations'.

    And I doubt he'll be on SNAP anytime soon, no doubt money all over the place including overseas.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,326 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Both men are also unified by presenting as incredibly unintelligent people. I'm not surprised they've put themselves in penury from falling for Trumps grift; they bought into his empty nonsense and like the groundskeepers Trump regularly shafts, were left penniless. Giuliani and Lindell different in being ostensible morons.

    leaving politics aside Trump was always a chancer who sold ... ... well, nothingburgers. Trump Steaks, Vodka, Media the list goes on. Anyone who fell for it was a mark in waiting. Substandard trash rubes fell for every time. And as always, Let's not lose sight of the fact Donald Trump failed to make money from a Casino - what a business genius. His allure could only have fooled the gullible.



  • Registered Users Posts: 767 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    Trump didn't care if the casino made money from the deal, his aim was to milk it for all it was worth and then discard the business, just as he does with every business venture:

    Quote from the article: "But even as his companies did poorly, Mr. Trump did well. He put up little of his own money, shifted personal debts to the casinos and collected millions of dollars in salary, bonuses and other payments. The burden of his failures fell on investors and others who had bet on his business acumen."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/nyregion/donald-trump-atlantic-city.html#:~:text=But%20even%20as%20his%20companies,bet%20on%20his%20business%20acumen.


    Post edited by Detritus70 on

    "I'm not a Trump supporter, but..." is the new "I'm not a racist, but...".



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Normally I might agree with you, but Lindell in particular seems especially feckless. I feel it’s beyond him to shuffle money about in various Cayman or Swiss banks. He can’t pay his Minnasota-based legal firm (likely retained just because they were local to him) because his pillow business is going under. This is the same pillow business that he fronted as essentially their mascot and spokesperson (he was The MyPillow Guy), and then proceeded to use his personal brand to front an extreem conspiracy theory that discouraged sales. He is so blockheaded that he personally tanked the very brand that enabled him to even have a public voice. If Lindell really has pissed away his entire business and it’s assets, I honestly think that’s all he has. I honestly think he is too single-minded and feckless to plan ahead for an emergency. I feel that he’s pissed it all away on legal fees, Cyber Symposia, and on cosplaying as a news anchor on his own streaming TV channel.

    Unless there’s enough of a speech scene for Lindell to get appearance fees, we might not see much more of them. I don’t sense there will be much of an audience in the MAGA crowd for hearing the story of a has-been who lost it all for believing too hard in their nonsense. He might be able to scream to the rafters about how the Globallist Cabal bankrupted him for trying to spread “The Truth”, but without the support structures he had with MyPillow I don’t know how much staying power he’s going to have.

    I feel that in future, Lindell with become a cautionary tale of what cultish obsession can do to a person if they let it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,695 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    In a week that's seen seen some GOP'rs decrie the Biden admin for paying $6bln for Iranian hostages?

    It is IMO important to note that the money wasn't US funds, they paid nothing. The money was Iranian and it was frozen in multiple accounts. The US arranged a deal where Iran can access those funds for humanitarian, medical and other similar uses. 2 things that are important to note in the wake of the GOP screaming that Biden gave $6bln. 1. That none of the Iranian $6bln has been drawn down. 2.Where Iran earned that $6bln. It was money Iran earned via oil sales that were granted waiver by....

    Donald J Trump🤷‍♀️ They really are a clown show of a party




  • Registered Users Posts: 60,556 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Trump had another brain fart on a video he released on Truth social


    But remember, Republicans EAT THEIR YOUNG. They really do. Terrible statement, but it’s true. They eat their young


    I wonder how MAGA qAnon will react to this statement after years of only thinking the Democrats did that now their leader as said it out loud for the world to hear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,422 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    It absolutely is like a side of the road snake oil salesman scam!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,599 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    It's almost like they believe that people should join together and those than have money help put those that are on hard times.

    Sounds suspiciously like socialism to me. But it can't be as I know that they all hate that.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,326 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    And you'd speculate how many of those people are members of a "church" whose pastor shakes them down for money for important works - while espousing poverty as sinful from the pulpit?

    Look at the Chyron at the bottom of the screen: "protect your wealth from record inflation"; I wonder how much that advice will cost and who it'll enrich. The rest looks like a mixture of faith based conspiracy. All very telling.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭Patrick2010




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Fox News are now openly threatening GOP House members who do not vote for Jim Jordan as speaker.

    A Hannity Producer has sent this via email to all GOP House reps who have yet to publicly declare their support for Jordan.

    So basically , if you don't vote for Jordan we are going to drag you on our show and hurt your election chances.

    But the "Librul Media" is the corrupt one apparently...



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,422 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    no surprise that Hannity thinks he can control GOP elections, when the previous President called him for advice on foreign affair matters.... ffs



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Hannity is acting on instructions from MAGA HQ.

    Jordan knows that he is deeply unpopular among the rest of his House colleagues for good reason , so his only path to the Speakers gavel is to set the MAGA loons on the hold-outs threatening them with being Primaried.

    It's really hard to see how he gets 50+ of the 55 that said they wouldn't vote for him to change their minds though.

    Even if he does though it's still incredibly damaging to the GOP Majority, it's just lose-lose all round.

    If someone in a swing district folds and votes for Jordan , they make it more likely that the Democrats take the seat.

    If they don't fold and they get primaried by some far right nut-bar , they make it more likely that the Democrats take the seat.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 865 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Same Hannity that was accused of being part of the fake news cabal recently?



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