Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I’m sure she isn’t the only disabled person in Gaza who has no access to medication. I hope she can come home and those who need it can receive the care they need.

I think a lot of people in the Labour Party and elsewhere would disagree wholeheartedly with you on this. If it walks like a duck.

But you go on believing that he is not, if it makes you happy.

Why it is US hand on all conflicts? Why UK breaking countries to leave them to fight amongst themselves.

Why when US OR UK face recession a new war takes place somewhere?

Hard to believe that Israel could not detect vehicles entering their territory at such large scale.

Game is much bigger and dirty. WMD never found in Iraq, but a country was destroyed. Imagine if China or India invades other countries on pretext of WMD.

Dirty mess created by greed for oil, minerals at the expense of countries who should own it. Africa is poor not because they are uneducated. They are poor because they are provided weapons to fight amongst themselves. They are exploited fot cheap mineral.

How could west starved of key minerals and Oil is advanced while others are poor. Something must be not right.

Most born here, enjoying pubs and EU holidays and watching BBC/CNN won't appreciate.

Eventually it is innocent who suffer either side. Rich control the governments and agendas.hu

Israel should never have existed in the first place. They are defending what was never right to begin with.

If England for some mad reason decided in the morning that their ancestors once lived here and they wanted to return to their "homeland" and started taking bits of our country piece by piece until we were all forced into some small corner, and we fought back against it, would England eventually have the right after 75 years to blow us to pieces if we attack them because they now held the land for long enough.

What your saying is that it doesn't matter how Israel exists, it's there now and they can do whatever they like, including decades of terrible war crimes, to keep it. And that this is morally right.

The UK didn't start bombing predominantly Catholic areas in the North after some of even the worst attacks by the IRA. There were some terrible acts like bloody Sunday alright, but they didn't start hammering them with bombs even though IRA members were well mixed in with the community.

But you think they would have been well within their rights to blow up houses if they thought the IRA might be in them regardless of innocent Catholics in the same buildings?

What makes the whole Isreal thing crazy is that the land was promised to them in the old testament...that's their claim to the land

It's very likely that when the thousands upon thousands move south into one area, that Israel will take them all out in one strike, and the West will be like '' Israel has the right to defend itself''

Exactly. But in the opinion of many people, they are there now anyway so they can defend it any way they see fit, war crimes included.

Indeed - the British (for all their faults in NI) were positively extremely restrained during the Troubles compared to what the Netanyahu regime is currently up to. The Israelis already appear to have committed a number of war crimes this week, with many more to follow.

Russia condemns the killing of both Palestinian and Israeli people and has tabled a vote at the UNSC for an immediate ceasefire and safe passage of aid to Gaza. If it is vetoed it will then be put to all nations of the UN to individually vote on in the general assembly.

England is their homeland, not Ireland, and Ireland was never once considered a "homeland" for the UK. England or the UK is not under threat. So no, nobody would think it vaguely credible that England would suddenly decide it wants Ireland again.

What are you suggesting, Israel just stops existing? Hardly a logical argument.

The argument is stupid, Israel exists, and it's not going anywhere. Waffling on about how it should never have been created is pointless.

And that's besides the fact that Jews always lived there and have historic ties to the land going back millenium, they didn't throw a dart at the world map in 1947.

So yes, it's entirely correct to say that it doesn't matter at this stage the rights or wrongs of how Israel was created because it's not going anywhere.

Lumping that factual statement in with "so you think it's OK to kill civilians" and " so you support them doing whatever they want" is nonsense.

Warning, horrific images and videos from Gaza.

Look back along through that for the last few days, can you honestly say Israel are doing their best to target Hamas.

It's very clear they don't care who they hit with their bombs and they have said as much in many interviews over the last few days. They have said Hamas are to blame for the civilian casualties of Israeli bombs. That's not good enough, and they are committing war crimes. Two sides committing war crimes doesn't make it ok.