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Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I was wondering when this lad would say something and straight away he shares a post from a well known anti Semitic account who happens to be pro russia too..




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,425 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Did you read the bit where the then assistant UN secretary general led an investigation into the massacre and concluded the IDF bore responsibility and that it was a form of genocide?


    In February 1983, an independent commission chaired by Irish diplomat Seán MacBride (the then-assistant to the Secretary-General of the United Nations) launched an inquiry into the violence and concluded that the IDF, as the erstwhile occupying power over Sabra and Shatila, bore responsibility for the militia's massacre.[21] The commission also stated that the massacre was a form of genocide.[22]

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,425 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    All those pro Russian accounts pretending the Israelis are bombing Gaza.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 507 ✭✭✭Antipathetic


    @Gatling

    Sorry to disappoint you but it appears you posted another fake piece of information, the video of the Israeli anti-air laser system is actually from the video game Arma 3.

    Another fake posted by the Israelis in an attempt to show off/ garner sympathy.

    Don't let the terrorists in Israel win. Please donate to UNRWA now!

    https://donate.unrwa.org/-landing-page/en_EN



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,393 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Yet more anti-semtic crap


    There is a lot of this lately.



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  • Posts: 0 Nola Scary Hair


    Still doesn't change the fact that a Lebanese Militia did the killings.

    Here's the bottom of your screengrab this time with links:

    The guy who added the community note is this account:

    https://twitter.com/shiftyeyedraven

    It's an anonymous account. Reading through his posts, he seems to be a bit paranoid to put it mildly.

    He tweeted this on October 10th:

    All he does is borrow an article off the internet and attempts to accuse a journalist of faking his story. Also seems to refer to Hamas as a "resistance force". Charming chap..... Really important to check who is adding a community note since that Wiki page also stated: "The community fact-checking system of X, Community Notes, also contributed to disinformation."

    So after all that, do you think Yossi Landau was lying?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,202 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    How are blatant anti semitic posts like this and loads others allowed to stand?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran




  • Registered Users Posts: 65,320 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    They are not allowed to stand. But you will need to cut the boards.ie moderators some slack. They work very hard for no pay and threads like this one take up huge amounts of their time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,434 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Is it mainly to save on fuel and maintenance or is it also the case that there aren't enough vehicles to go around?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    No not true,it's not Arma 3 at all ,

    Which is the game claimed but it doesn't look anything like that



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Ludicrous is it? So you are just going to ignore the invasion of Egypt by Israeli forces in 1967 then? Where they subsequently captured the entirety of the Sinai peninsula right up to the Suez canal?

    With such active ignorance of history, it's no wonder so many in this thread support Israel...



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Yom Kippur involved a coalition of Arabs who invaded Israel first, out numbered,out gunned by a sneak attack encouraged by Kremlin at the time, ended up with Israel actually winning and taking ground,

    Talking about trying to revise history and getting caught not once ,not twice but three times in as many posts



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,506 ✭✭✭amandstu


    From Wikipedia (and my memory)

    "The war began on 6 October 1973, when the Arab coalition jointly launched a surprise attack against Israel on the Jewish holy day of Yom Kippur"


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,320 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    You seem unfamiliar with the history of the region despite your stance as someone claiming the opposite.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Good grief! Yom Kippur was in retaliation for the six day war after the Israelis captured the Sinai peninsula which was part of the sovereign state of Egypt.

    I've lost all hope for this thread. Keep waving your Israeli flags - it's not looking good for your cause as each day passes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,506 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Not quite sure who can be said to have started the 1967 6 day war.

    Israel did launch a surprise preemptive attack but Nasser drove through Israel's stated casus belli

    I got this again from wikipedia but have no great memory of the pre war machinations at the time although I did follow the actual war on the TV.


    "In the months prior to the outbreak of the Six-Day War in June 1967, tensions again became dangerously heightened: Israel reiterated its post-1956 position that another Egyptian closure of the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping would be a definite casus belli. In May 1967, Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser announced that the Straits of Tiran would again be closed to Israeli vessels. He subsequently mobilized the Egyptian military into defensive lines along the border with Israel[33] and ordered the immediate withdrawal of all UNEF personnel"



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16 RonanDonegal1989


    Interesting article:

    https://cfoic.com/top-ten-israel-lies/

    Lie #1: Israel was created by European guilt over the Nazi Holocaust. Why should Palestine pay the price?

    Three thousand years before the Holocaust, before there was a Roman Empire, Israel’s kings and prophets walked the streets of Jerusalem. The whole world knows that Isaiah did not speak his prophesies from Portugal, nor Jeremiah his lamentations from France. Revered by its people, Jerusalem is mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures 600 times – but not once in the Koran. Throughout its 2,000-year exile there was continuous Jewish presence in the Holy Land, with the modern rebirth of Israel beginning in the 1800s. Reclamation of the largely vacant land by pioneering Zionists blossomed into a Jewish majority long before the onset of Nazism.

    After the Holocaust, nearly 200,000 Shoah survivors found haven in the Jewish State, created by a two-thirds vote of the UN in 1947. Soon 800,000 Jews fleeing persecution in Arab countries arrived. In ensuing decades, Israel absorbed a million immigrants from the Soviet Union and thousands of Ethiopian Jews. Today, far from being a vestige of European guilt or colonialism, Israel is a diverse, cosmopolitan society, fulfilling the age-old dream of a people’s journey and ‘Return to Zion’ — their ancient homeland.

    Lie #2: Had Israel withdrawn to its June 1967 borders, peace would have come long ago.

    Since 1967, Israel has repeatedly conceded, “land for peace.” Following Egyptian President Sadat’s historic 1977 visit to Jerusalem and the Camp David Peace Accords, Israel withdrew from the vast Sinai Peninsula and has been at peace with Egypt ever since.

    In 1995, Jordan signed a peace treaty with Israel but neither the Palestinians nor 21 other Arab states have done so. In 1993,Israel signed the Oslo Accords ceding administrative control of the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority (formerly the PLO). The PA never fulfilled its promise to end propaganda attacks and drop the Palestinian National Charter’s call for Israel’s destruction.

    In 2000, Prime Minister Barak offered Yasser Arafat full sovereignty over 97% of the West Bank, a corridor to Gaza, and a capitol in the Arab section of Jerusalem. Arafat said NO. In 2008, PA President Abbas nixed virtually the same offer from Prime Minister Olmert. In 2005, Prime Minister Sharon unilaterally withdrew from Gaza. Taken over by terrorist Hamas, they turned dismantled Jewish communities into launching sites for suicide bombers and 8,000+ rockets into Israel proper. In 2010, Prime Minister Netanyahu renewed offers of unconditional negotiations leading to a Palestinian State, but Palestinians refused, demanding more unilateral Israeli concessions, including a total freeze of all Israeli construction in East Jerusalem and the West Bank.

    Lie #3: Israel is the main stumbling block to achieving a Two-State solution.

    The Palestinians themselves are the only stumbling block to achieving a Two-State solution. With whom should Israel negotiate? With President Abbas, who, for four years, has been barred by Hamas from visiting 1.5 million constituents in Gaza? With his Palestinian Authority, which continues to glorify terrorists and preaches hate in its educational system and the media? With Hamas, whose Iranian-backed leaders deny the Holocaust and use fanatical Jihadist rhetoric to call for Israel’s destruction?

    Today, it is a simple fact that while the State of Israel is prepared to recognize all Arab States, secular or Muslim, these states adamantly refuse to recognize Israel as a Jewish State and demand “the right of return” of five million so-called Palestinian “refugees” — a sure guarantee for Israel’s demise.

    Lie #4: Nuclear Israel not Iran is the greatest threat to peace and stability.

    Though never acknowledged by Jerusalem, it is generally assumed that Israel has nuclear weapons. But unlike Pakistan, India, and North Korea, Israel never conducted nuclear tests. In 1973, when its very survival was imperiled by the surprise Egyptian-Syrian Yom Kippur attack, many assumed Israel would use nuclear weapons — but it did not. Contrary to public condemnations, many Arab leaders privately express relief that Israeli nuclear deterrence exists. While Israel has never threatened anyone, Tehran’s mullahs daily threaten to “wipe Israel from the map.” The U.S. and Europe can afford to wait to see what the Iranian regime does with its nuclear ambitions. But Israel cannot. She is on the front lines and remembers every day the price the Jewish people paid for not taking Hitler at his word. Israel is not prepared to sacrifice another six million Jews on the altar of the world’s indifference.

    Lie #5: Israel is an Apartheid State deserving of International Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaigns.

    On both sides of the Atlantic, church groups, academics and unions are leading deceitful and often anti-Semitic boycott campaigns demonizing what they call the Jewish “apartheid” State.

    The truth is that unlike apartheid South Africa, Israel is a democratic state. Its 20% Arab minority enjoys all the political, economic and religious rights and freedoms of citizenship, including electing members of their choice to the Knesset (Parliament). Israeli Arabs and Palestinians have standing before Israel’s Supreme Court. In contrast, no Jew may own property in Jordan, no Christian or Jew can visit Islam’s holiest sites in Saudi Arabia.

    Lie #6: Plans to build 1,600 more homes in East Jerusalem prove Israel is ‘Judaizing’ the Holy City.

    Enemies of Israel, exploit this phony issue. Jerusalem is holy to three great faiths. Its diverse population includes a Jewish majority with Muslim and Christian minorities. Since 1967, for the first time in history, there is full freedom of religion for all faiths in Jerusalem. Muslim and Christian religious bodies administer their own holy sites. Indeed, the Waqf is allowed to control Jerusalem’s Temple Mount, even though it rests on Solomon’s temple and is holy to BOTH Jews and Muslims.

    Meanwhile, Jerusalem’s municipality must meet the needs of a growing modern city. The unfortunately-timed announcement during U.S. Vice President Biden’s visit of 1,600 new apartments in Ramat Shlomo, was not about Arab neighborhoods in East Jerusalem, but for a long established, heavily populated Jewish neighborhood in Northern Jerusalem, where 250,000 Jews live (about the same population as Newark, NJ.) — an area that will never be relinquished by Israel.

    Lie #7: Israel policies endanger U.S. troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    The charge that Israel endangers U.S. troops in Iraq or the AF-Pak region is an update of the old “stab in the back” lie that Jews always betray their own friends, and the libel spouted by Henry Ford and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion that “Jews are the father of all wars.”

    U.S. General Petraeus has stated he considers Israel a great strategic asset for the U.S. and that his earlier remarks linking the safety of U.S. troops in the region to an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal (which 2/3 of Israelis want) were taken out of context. A resolution of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict would benefit everyone, including the U.S. But an imposed return to what Abba Eban called “1967 Auschwitz borders” would endanger Israel’s survival and ultimately be disastrous for American interests and credibility in the world.

    Lie #8: Israeli policies are the cause of worldwide anti-Semitism.

    From the Inquisition to the pogroms, to the 6,000,000 Jews murdered by the Nazis, history proves that Jew-hatred existed on a global scale before the creation of the State of lsrael. In 2010, it would still exist even if Israel had never been created. For example, one poll indicates 40% of Europeans blame the recent global economic crisis on “Jews having too much economic power,” a canard that has nothing to do with Israel.

    The unsettled Palestinian-Israeli dispute aggravates Muslim-Jewish tensions, but it is not the root cause. During World War II, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a notorious Jew-hater, helped the Nazis organize the 13th SS Division, made up of Muslims. Unfortunately, in addition to respectful references to Jewish patriarchs and prophets, the Koran also contains virulent anti-Semitic stereotypes that are widely invoked by Islamist extremists, including Hezbollah (whose agents blew up the Jewish Community Center in Buenos Aires in 1994), to justify murdering Jews worldwide. The disappearance of Israel would only further embolden violent Jew-haters everywhere.

    Lie #9: Israel, not Hamas, is responsible for the “humanitarian catastrophe” in Gaza. Goldstone was right when he charged that Israel was guilty of war crimes against civilians.

    The Goldstone Report on Israel’s defensive war against Hamas-controlled Gaza, from which 8,000 rockets were fired after Israel’s unilateral withdrawal in 2005, is a biased product of the UN’s misnamed Human Rights Council. The UNHRC is obsessed with false anti-Israel resolutions. It refuses to address grievous human rights abuses in Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Cuba and beyond. Faced with similar attacks, every UN member-state including the U.S. and Canada would surely have acted more aggressively than the IDF did in Gaza.

    Yet, Richard Goldstone, a South African Jewish jurist, signed a document prepared by investigators whose main qualification was rabid anti-Israel bias. He accepted every anonymous libel against the IDF. But he insisted that hearings in Gaza be televised, guaranteeing that fearful Palestinians would never testify about Hamas’ use of civilians as human shields and their hiding of weapons in mosques and hospitals. Harvard Professor Alan Dershowitz denounced Goldstone’s Report as a modern “blood libel” accusing Israeli soldiers of crimes they never committed.

    Lie #10: The only hope for peace is a single, bi-national state, eliminating the Jewish State of Israel.

    The One-State solution, promoted by academics, is a non-starter because it would eliminate the Jewish homeland. However, the current pressures on Israel are equally dangerous. In effect, the world is demanding that Israel, the size of New Jersey, shrink farther by accepting a Three-State solution: a PA state on the West Bank and a Hamas terrorist state controlling 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza. All this, as Hezbollah, Iran’s proxy in Lebanon, stockpiles 50,000 rockets, threatening northern and central Israel’s main population centers.

    In 2010, most Middle East experts believe that the only hope for enduring peace is two states with defined final borders. But too many diplomats, pundits, academics and church leaders ignore the fact that current polls show that while most Israelis favor a Two-State solution, most Palestinians continue to oppose it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 507 ✭✭✭Antipathetic


    Nope it's almost definitely another fake video no one should trust anything from random accounts on Twitter/X.

    But then again you would believe anything that is pro American or from their best buddies the Israelis.

    Don't let the terrorists in Israel win. Please donate to UNRWA now!

    https://donate.unrwa.org/-landing-page/en_EN



  • Registered Users Posts: 16 RonanDonegal1989


    Also, a very good old documentary (including Conor Cruise O Brien) on the modern history of the development of the state of Israel/Palestine




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  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭THE_SHEEP



    " Hands up !! Who hates Israel ??? "



  • Registered Users Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    The last Israeli civilian found of the massacre was beheaded

    When terrorists had time they tortured before killing

    Worst than Russians or isis brutality is becoming a competition on social media.

    If it was an Olympic sport hamas would get gold, Russia silver and isis bronze

    Post edited by dennis72 on


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Partly that they're cheaper, but partly because a vismod is needed anyway: The vehicles being represented are Soviet-built. The Israeli ones are mocked up to look like T-72s, complete with the external fuel drums on the back and exhaust out the left side.

    Plus, quite simply, it's not practical to own and maintain enemy vehicles. Most US Vismods are "Opfor Surrogate Vehicles", basically M113s with lots of add-ons and a somewhat functioning (not live-shooting, of course), turret.




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,425 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    With respect when it comes to deciding who to believe, I am going to have to side with the conclusions of an independent UN investigation on the ground, after the event, rather the the conclusions of a person with internet access, 40 years later, who has never been to the site or spoken to anyone involved.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,447 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Excellent question. Some of us have reported some of the lowlife anti-semites on this site in the past, and naturally they're showing up here again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,447 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    TBF I think @Montage of Feck should've included '/s' at the end of his post. I think they're joking.


    I could be wrong but it's out of character imo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,425 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I hope anti Semitic posts will be removed but if one looks at the Russian thread the language that is allowed to stand is simply dehumanising if not racist.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭nonyabidness23


    Good man mark we wouldn't have been able to spot that without you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭brickster69


    724 is more children killed than during the entire Ukraine conflict. In a week !

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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  • Registered Users Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    How are these deaths verified?

    Hamas needs a narrative for its support

    10 days ago this was not happening so what changed?



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