"I started a joke, that started the whole world ......" | Ireland v New Zealand.

tobefrank321 · 16-10-2023 12:53AM

Leaving aside Irelands involvement, this world cup has been an utter shambles.

How on earth can two poor/mediocre sides like England and Argentina make the semi finals while the top two in the world are out by the skin of their teeth in QFs? It makes no sense. Choosing the seeding 3 years before the competition? Australia couldn't get out of their group. 3 of the world's top 5 in the same group. Laughable.

As for Ireland, very unlucky. Could have gone either way, and they deserved more.

But I hope I never hear the words "world cup cycle" again in my life. And while I'm a fan of rugby, at this stage I've lost interest in rugby world cups after the farce this one was.

Kermit.de.frog · 16-10-2023 12:56AM

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Will there be an open top bus for the team through Dublin?

tobefrank321 · 16-10-2023 01:00AM

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My own theory is the time gap between 6 nations and world cup, whereas southern hemisphere teams are not long after rugby championships. Sure France and Ireland were capable of a couple big games in the group stages, but seemed tired by the QFs whereas NZ and SA are starting to peak and possibly benefited from rugby championship.

Zak Flaps · 16-10-2023 01:48AM

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Why do you bother watching so?

Zak Flaps · 16-10-2023 01:59AM

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Next time you give a bad performance in the sack with your missus, I hope Johnny Sexton is there to kick you when you're down. You're a real trouper.

dickdasr1234 · 16-10-2023 04:37AM

They **** themselves, pure and simple. Maybe it was the Haka! First twenty minutes they played like headless chickens.

Had Americans visiting (they don't appreciate the Irish 'vernacular') and I cursed like a docker at the amateurish shite I was watching.

New Zealand came out of the traps whilst Ireland were studying their fingernails!

FrankN1 · 16-10-2023 06:55AM

This QF choking talk is not fair. If we had Fiji, England, Wales or Argentina we would most likely be in the semi finals. We also lost by 4 points and would have won the game if we had an extra 5 mins.

If Ireland were completely outplayed then I would say fair enough. But they weren't.

505_ · 16-10-2023 07:23AM

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With a nicer draw we likely would have made a semi final. But If they didn’t have two players yellow carded they’d have won by more.

Wouldnt have bet any money on getting a winner with another 5 minutes they defended well throughout. If. Facts are once again we couldn’t get over the line in a quarter final. Better performance but same result unfortunately.

dickdasr1234 · 16-10-2023 07:24AM

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I didn't say they choked.

They seemed utterly unprepared for the initial assault.

Are you saying their play wasn't scatterbrained in the first twenty minutes?

FrancieBrady · 16-10-2023 07:27AM

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They no more choked than France choked.

50/50 games at this level.

We have rarely if ever seen an Irish team at this level in a sport. Just like NZ, SA Fra etc we can on our day beat any of these teams and it's been like that for some time.

Important now that we stay there.

Seadin · 16-10-2023 07:41AM

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I dont like saying it or reminding people but can Ireland win and beat these teams when it matters most? From the weekends evidence I would be inclined to say no. Alot of our strengths were our weaknesses at the weekend. Line out, scrum, general play, decision making and confidence all below par of what we expected it to be.

FrancieBrady · 16-10-2023 07:43AM

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I'd say it is somewhat of a fluke because of the draw that we were in a 50/50 scenario so early in the tournament. I'd say France are saying the same thing this AM, while England and Argentina would not be.

The 'bottlers' shouting on the sidelines say the SA game didn't matter, but they ignore what SA put into that game and what we did. Had we lost that we turned the Scotland game into a 50/50 one. It counted and we won a fierce game against a team that may win it now.

Fine fine margins at this level and I think some are not used to this level of a sport.

phog · 16-10-2023 07:51AM

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beat these teams

Who are these teams you're referring to?

We beat France to win a Grand Slam, we've beaten SA this year to top our Group in the RWC, we beat Australia a few RWCs back so that only leaves NZ.

It's a shame about the draw and after last night you've two good trans heading home while two lesser teams get through to a SF by virtue of the draw that put them into an easier route to the SF

DellyBelly · 16-10-2023 07:56AM

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I doubt that will happen but they do deserve some kind of recognition in my opinion. They are an outstanding group. Very unlucky on Friday

FrancieBrady · 16-10-2023 08:01AM

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And at least two great servants are retiring. We can spitefully ignore that or celebrate them. I know which option I would choose.

ScissorPaperRock · 16-10-2023 08:01AM

It's all still hard to stomach.

England and Argentina in the SFs despite their performances over the past couple of years and the relative level of opposition they've had to face in the tournament until now.

Knowing the potential this team had, and the opportunity that has been lost.

Fortune was not in our favour in this game, though there were areas of performance where Ireland let themselves down as well. That said, the margins were miniscule, and we were one special Jordie Barrett try-saving tackle away from being on the other side of this. How different the narrative would've been.

raclle · 16-10-2023 08:02AM

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I'd agree with that sentiment. NZ, SA and Fra all brought their game to another level and consistently so when it matters. I couldn't believe how slow we were to the breakdown and I think only one turn over all game?

Seadin · 16-10-2023 08:03AM

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I know that but if we were in the other group are you saying we 100% be into a semi final?

History doesn't lie and we have an abysmal record against Argentina in RWCs losing to them 3 times. I'm not saying we would lose this time but the 2007 or 2015 teams weren't meant to lose to them either and see what happened. There were other circumstances that came into play but we tend to use all these excuses as reasons to justify why we didn't get the job done. Argentina played good enough on Saturday to beat Wales and Wales have always a good standing in RWCs. I am not 100% convinced we would to be honest and until we actually go away and do it.

trevezel · 16-10-2023 08:03AM

retirement announced for Atonio and Taofifénua, the french pack will lose 280 kgs, severe diet....

FrancieBrady · 16-10-2023 08:05AM

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Had NZ lost, they'd(the negative ninny's in NZ) be talking about the nervy start that NZ had, the wayward kicks and untypical badly thrown passes. They'd be lamenting not going for the corner when penalties were awarded etc.

The easy criticisms would be tirelessly made. Eaten bread is soon forgotten when you win.

Clegg · 16-10-2023 08:26AM

It's disappointing that there are some still gloating over the loss. It's no shame to lose by 4 points against New Zealand. It happens.

I don't have much more to say about the game other than our set piece requiring tightening up. We were beaten intensity wise at the breakdown, which is rare. But had our scrum and especially lineout functioned correctly it would have been a lot easier to play our way out of trouble.

mattser · 16-10-2023 08:45AM

If my aunt had you know whats she'd be my uncle.

Still bitching three days later.

Ireland were beaten fair and square. Get over it and move on.

aloooof · 16-10-2023 08:49AM

Mod: @Mr Disco and @lbunnae two week rugby for ban for trolling.

Jack Daw · 16-10-2023 08:51AM

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Joke's on you man, I don't even have a girlfriend to perform badly in the sack with.

And in addition what a load of nonsense.

So we're not allowed to criticise the performances of highly paid international sports people any more?

All this "couldn't be prouder" bullshit you saw on the internet are just eeijits trying to get a clap on the back from other people on the internet saying "oh Aren't the irish great fans".

Mod: Warning.

raclle · 16-10-2023 08:59AM

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Players were left isolated at the breakdown. We were too slow which is why I mentioned possible fatigue in another thread.

trevezel · 16-10-2023 09:46AM

in 2027, Ireland will play without Sexton, Aki, Lowe, Mahony, ...and the situation is even worse for South Africa, so i expect to see France and NZ potential winners for next RWC

letowski · 16-10-2023 10:17AM

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James Ryan was a much bigger loss than billed too. We missed his aggression and workrate in the ruck and tackle.

Strazdas · 16-10-2023 10:35AM

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Yes, it's almost a self fulfilling thing at this stage - we got eliminated at the quarter final stage again, therefore we must have "choked"....ignoring the fact that we might have been knocked out by the eventual 2023 winners and pushed them to within four points.

tobefrank321 · 16-10-2023 11:19AM

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Maybe I'm a purist or traditionalist, but there is a lot more to Rugby than the World Cup. This World Cup in particular showed what a vacuous, useless competition it is on some levels and how hopeless the administrators of world rugby are. A lot of people have lost interest in the competition because of all the one sided drubbings. And then two of the best four teams knocked out in the quarters, and two mediocre teams get to the semis, who would not be there if the seeding was done properly.

A test series in New Zealand matters, a lot. Its one of the reasons why NZ were so up for the game on Saturday. They hate losing, but losing a test series at home is almost as big as losing a WC. They were hugely motivated. Plus they were written off by everyone.

FrancieBrady · 16-10-2023 11:36AM

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I agree. Doesn't particularly matter to me when it came, QF, SF or final. The fact is we were beaten on the day.

"I started a joke, that started the whole world ......" | Ireland v New Zealand.

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