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World cup 2027. Were do Ireland go?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,437 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Still some great younger players around who might improve to regular internationals. A lot can happen in 4 yes

    Larmour, Balacoune, Lowry, Hume, Daly, Nash, Frisch, Frawley, O'Brien (Tommy), Prendergast (Sam & the brother), Stewart, Connors, Penny, Deeny, Osbourne, Izuchukwu, Doak, Ahern, Hodnett, Murray (Niall), Edogbo...and more that I've forgotten



  • Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭thehairygrape


    No arguments here. Just think experience will count for the first XV. Good list though. Coombs another but I can’t get over his performance against the All Black 15 (second team) was it last Autumn? He was physically man handled that night but 4 years is a long time as you say.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,109 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Van der flier is irish born and bred ,both parents irish also , he has 1 Dutch grandfather



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,087 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Our first game in the next 6N is France away. We'll most likely lose but we should be winning the rest of the games.

    For the tournament, I'd like to see a 23 (injuries permitting) of;

    Porter, Sheehan, Bealham, Beirne, Ryan, Baird/Prendergast, VDF, Conan

    JGP/Casey, Crowley, Lowe, Henshaw, Ringrose, Hansen, Keenan

    Kelleher, Loughman, TOT, JoeMc, TBC, JGP/Casey, Byrne, Daly

    I think that team comfortably beats everyone bar France. The 23 needs to evolve without overreacting. Four wins from 5 gets us back on track and we'd be in a better place to build from than England/Wales/Scotland. In the summer and November, try out a few more guys with a view to winning a GS in 2025 (France and England come to Dublin).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,605 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    One area that I think were lacking is pace. Keenan is probably the only starter with out and out gas. JOB looked very quick when he came on as well. There was a noticable difference in the speed of the NZ backs yesterday. It's not everything by any meana, Hansen and Lowe have been outstanding, but I hope that guys like Baloucoune are given more opportunities. Someone like Jordan is such a weapon for a team, the ability to burn a defense from anywhere given a sniff of a gap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭Shehal


    If he can get a run of form without getting injured then I think Tommy O'Brien might be worth looking at.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭TheAnalyst_


    Happily take another QF final loss if we keep up that level of performance.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Where do we start is the question. Is Farrell the man to lead us? I dont think so.

    None of our fly half options look good enough now and dont look like they will develop enough. Do we go to the southern hemisphere and try to nick one?

    I camt see us getting near to winning a world cup in 27. This was our chance and we blew it. Again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,512 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    We lost a close game was small margins we made errors and still if NZ don't make a fantastic defensive play and get under a ball at the line we may have won. Last night wasn't a disaster like other QFs. We had a nightmare draw and it's hardly a shock we lost a close game. We didn't bottle it as some mentioned. Will SA or France have bottled it when one of them don't win tonight? We keep going with the progress we have been making.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,512 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    It's always going to be hard for us to have the depth that France England and even SA may have due to population and player numbers but I actually thought several players did well when they came on. JOB for one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,638 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    We are in a very good spot. 2 u20 grand slams and a couple of very competitive other u20 sides. No one bar France have as much up and coming talent as we do, imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,512 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    It's funny how people do complete 180s we beat SA in a game we could have lost. Again it was very small margins if they had kicked better for example. Now we lost a close game which we could have won but for small margins and now we need to change our entire approch. There's 4 teams very little between them two were always going to go out. Sadly it was us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,437 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    I was at that AB XV game. Coombes wasn't alone in being bossed around. He'll definitely have a chance too to push on and make the leap up to seasoned international.

    But, the beauty of sport is that there are always unknowns. Who would have thought, in 2019, that Keenan would be our nailed on FB for the foreseeable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,466 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Didn't Barron outpace him in the semi final or have I him mixed up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭Shehal


    I dont know but I am fairly confident it wasnt TOB outpaced, TOB is reportedly the fastest player at Leinster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,466 ✭✭✭✭phog


    How many O'Brien's played in the backs that day, he certainly outpaced one of them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Was it the SF that this happened? I might go back and check as my mind is fuzzy, I highly doubt it was TOB though!



  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭highball14


    Who are the outstanding prospects from those teams? Nathan Doak, Sam Prendergast, Jamie Osbourne, Alex Kendellen, Brian Gleeson… others? Could definitely do with a prop or 2 or 3 coming through



  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭highball14


    On the fly half comment.. Crowley is very talented/promising, make him the man and we’ll be in good hands. I hope we get to a situation soon where it’s Crowley starting with Sam Prendergast on the bench if he can get enough game time with Leinster.

    Also if we were to try to get someone from the Southern hemisphere it would be 5 years before they are qualified?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,316 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    I'd add James Culhane to that list. He won Player of the Tournament in Ireland's u20 Grand Slam win. Missed most of the last season through illness/injury, but is already capped by Leinster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,836 ✭✭✭✭bilston




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,836 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Loads of talented players from the last 3 or 4 U20 sides going back to 2020 that are close to making a breakthrough. Last years U20s side was the best of the lot but those guys are only starting their provincial journeys now. Let's see how they go.

    The next 4 year cycle starts next weekend with the URC!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,638 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I think Paddy McCarthy is a good prospect. Along with Boyle. Rudhan Quinn is another along with McNabney.

    Serious prospects. The future is bright.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    I’m one of those people who basically believe that everything in rugby is predicated on how you want to play, and then you build a team to that model.

    So, it will be interesting. I think we could absolutely play the way we play now and basically replace guys with guys who already play that way.

    McCarthy is a bit of an anomaly to me. He doesn’t really fit the way we play now. Or, to put it another way, he’s more of a prendergast style heavy lock than a lancaster style lock. We do have young players coming through who could really suit that though. Gleeson and Quinn are heavy ball carriers. The other McCarthy looked like he’d really fit that as well. in terms of in the squad already, Crowley, Casey, Baird, Hanson all stand out as really fitting a more possession style. However, it probably doesn’t fit probably our best younger back (ringrose). He would be an amazing winger in that style though.

    It will he interesting. I would guess that they will double down again and guys who are similar to guys leaving style wise will replace them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭crusd


    Its times like these when the clueless reveal themselves. Josh Van der Flier whose grandfather moved here from the Netherlands in the 1950's I presume you mean?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭crusd


    I think Leinster need to be told to release at least one of Ross Byrne, Harry Byrne or Frawley. Prendergast is a massive talent. But when the immediacy of winning games is the priority his opportunities may be curtailed in the short term. Dont want to be here in 4 years time with him only having gotten 20-30 games. Hopefully Crowley kicks on, but we need depth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,638 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Leinster would be reluctant to do that. I can see Tector moving. I am really high on him. He's more of a hard charging type of fly half.

    I wouldn't write HB's international career off just yet. He's very talented and if not for injury, who knows where he'd be at.

    Ulster definitely could use a fly half. Unless Flannery steps up and takes the jersey from Burns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,276 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Ever since seeing him in the under 20's I've wanted Prendergast in Connacht, far more likely to get real game time in the west and with his brother already in the squad it should be an easy move for him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    I hope we see more emerging Ireland tours and ireland a matches set up. The more players exposed to to international coaches the better.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭crusd


    Definitely see Harry Byrne as still having potential. They all wont get gametime at Leinster however. I would suggest Frawley to Ulster and let Ross Byrne move abroad as he will be 32 at the next world cup and is pretty much at his ceiling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,638 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Thing is right now, Ross is very valuable to Leinster with j10 retired. I can't see him going anywhere. He's still only 28. He's got many years left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭crusd


    We have got to accept a bit of short term pain. There are a queue of potential 10's coming through. Byrne is a good sub elite 10. If we want to give the opportunity for younger 10's to potentially develop to elite we need to make the room. It would be different if there was a dearth of quality 10's at Leinster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,638 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Silverware is all that matters. Ross will get the 1st lash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭crusd


    Needs to be moved on at the end of the season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭boetstark




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    i think we lost alot of shape in attack when MH went off too, if he had stayed fit it could have been different but ifs and buts could drive you insane

    and tbh its not really great to be relying on your right wing to be driving the creativity of your backline


    does lowe start dropping out of the squad now too? he'll be 35 at the next rwc and he was never the fastest anyway so a replacement probably needs to be found



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Who are the up and coming prospects across the provinces?

    From a Connacht point of view Kilgallen looks to have serious potential and Smith has impressed in preseason.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭raclle


    The world cup is the pinnacle of rugby and if we want to progress sacrifices will have to be made. Those 6N and Autumn internationals should be used as a stepping stone to build a proper squad to challenge otherwise whats the point? All that matters to those southern hemisphere teams is winning the world cup so are we content with winning 6N tournaments or do we want to win the big one?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    Yeah agree. To hell with the six nations at this point, we've done it and bought the t shirt ... or as a balance you blood the new players against Italy and the likes of maybe Scotland Wales etc after 50 mins if it looks like you're going to win anyway or bonus point already secured...

    The other issue is, if we just throw short term results out the window for long term gain, we can slip down the seedings . That's an issue... we need to be top four when the next draw is made to give us best possible chance. As we have really found out, you nearly need every rub of the green going for you when the margins are this tight...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,638 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Lowe should stay for the short term. But he's really not as good as Hanson, imo. I doubt he makes the next world cup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,836 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Back in 2020 2021 Ireland weren't getting great results in the 6Ns and plenty of people were calling for Farrell's head. All the while the players were saying "don't panic we know what we're doing"...it turns out they did know what they were doing, they were blooding players and most importantly coming up with a new style of game.

    The point being if many had had their way Farrell and Catt etc would have been sscked half way through that process amd who knows where we would be now.

    So it's easy to say "don't worry about winning this game or that" but the reality coaches can't think like that.

    As for all that matters to the SH is winning the WC, I'd disagree, SA very much care about beating NZ and NZ very much care about the Rugby Championship and Bledisloe Cup, that's why the win it virtually every year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,638 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Ulster: postlethwaite; McNabney, Wilson, Sheridan and McLoughlin.

    Connacht: Gavin; Matt Devine, Kilgallan.

    Munster : Quinn, Gleeson, Campbell, Hadden, Evan O'Connell..

    Leinster: Boyle, Culhane, King, Sam P, Mangan, Brownlee.

    There are more. These lads are mostly year 2 or have been signed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,836 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Whatever happened to Patrick Campbell at Munster? Was he injured last season?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    sorry should have been clearer, I was talking in regards to potential Lowe replacements.

    Id add in John Devine, Chay Mullins and Fiachna Barrett talking overall prospects for Connacht



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Guess it is up to Connacht to go fine some class players down under again.

    One thing noticed in threads around here is how quick people are to dump Aki for next 6Ns.

    Probably our player of the tournament and it is shag off for yourself, whereas some of the overrated are of course included for another season.

    Maybe it has something to do with where they play.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,638 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    As far as Lowe goes, I do not know. He's a good player, but not anywhere world class. He does have a good left boot and he's big. Stockdale is an option, I don't rate him. Very poor defensively. There's nobody on the horizon right now in my opinion. Mad as it might sound, Keenan could be sensational on the wing. No sense in moving a great fb though.

    It's a problem for us. Conway is getting too old. Lowe is the best option right now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭Piskin


    Have hopes for Keenan for sure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    JOB could be an option on the left. Would keep the left boot option. If Jamie Osbourne or Cathal Forde push on they could be left boots from midfield.

    I think Mack is more dangerous starting on the left wing so could see that happen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,638 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    If only Larmour didn't have mares with garryowens, we'd be flying.

    Our backline is fairly slow. Henshaw has no real pace, McCloskey either. Lowe is slow and Sexton has lost a couple of yards, age being a factor.

    This 6 nations is too soon to be changing up too much but, Keenan and Ringrose are locked in, Hanson too, imo. There's scope to look at a 12 and other wings over the next couple of years.



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