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Should the sale of second-hand electrical items be banned?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 121 ✭✭1percent


    Once had a fine kenwood food processor, there was a safety mechanism where a little pin in the base would engage only when the lid was fully sealed stopping the motor engaging and a potentaly messy incident of the blade "helicoptering" out of the bowl at 2000rpm

    So one day the piece of plastic in the lid that engaged the pin broke and so a useless broken food processor or at least that would have been the case if clever little me didn't figure out a folded up piece of cardboard wedged into the slot on the base would hold that pin down.

    Got another 6 years out of that food processor and 10 quid on done deal after that. But I did spend 2.50 for a get well soon card when I heard what happend the buyer



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,794 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    start another thread on people dumping vast amount of clothes and buying more they dont need - and at least you cannot get a shock/electrocuted and dont catch on fire from buying too many clothes 😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,664 ✭✭✭Feisar


    I'm all for mend and make do however if it's not something Dad or myself can do it's never worth my while repairing something. Cost of labour has made repairs prohibitively expensive.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,794 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    of course - and the extortionate charges what the professionals charge sometimes causes some people to "I will have a go myself" or their friends going "I've got a mate who can do that cheap for you" and can end up repairing it , but compromising its safety. I have bought a few used secondhand things here in Ireland and as I say I check them over when I get them home . I had a microwave oven once where someone had replaced the power lead to make it a longer lead , they had put 2 core lead on it and the earth wire was just cut off inside the microwave oven. Of course you could not see that just looking at the outside of it - so potentially it was un-earthed!

    A used washing machine i bought from done deal or adverts I cannot remember now, someone had chopped off the moulded plug and put on a 13a plug and didnt do up the screws inside the plug ... so that could have eventually overheated and caused a fire. - there have been some other electrical things I have bought in the past that I am glad I give them a once over check before plugging them in.

    Again , couldnt afford to buy new so forced to buy second-hand and then potentially put in danger of burning the house down or getting an electric shock just because of my finances.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,798 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Are you basing your entire bonkers campaign off one single dodgy sale on adverts??



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,794 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    you only choose to read what you want to read from my posts , you must do.

    I cannot emphasise enough in my posts how many times numerously I have bought a used electrical item for myself and checked it over when I have got it home and someone has made a dodgy repair job on it or something is jeopardised its safety



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,024 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    “One lady owner”

    Yeah right; my grandma was no lady.



  • Registered Users Posts: 613 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    bought a 2nd hand freezer chest (upright) a few months ago for €90, its fantastic, barely used. Seller wanted a quick sale as they were moving into new house. I probably wouldn't ever buy a 2nd hand fridge as I'm very fussy about food things and smells. Likewise washing machine unless it was almost new.

    But I think we should be renovating, re-using, fixing and selling as much used stuff as possible. It was always the way when I was a kid. We have way too much going into landfill. We still have a disposable society. Way back a washing machine lasted a lifetime, so did an iron. If it broke there was a man who could fix it! Nobody died.







  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,570 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    I honestly think at this point we should have a government provided service for our second hand electronics which they can then repair competently and use those electronics in council homes and provide for those that are in need in society.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 34,923 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Why are you buying used microwaves when they can be had fairly cheap new? Here's a Microwave for a hundred euro

    If you need to buy a second hand washing machine because you can't afford to buy a new one, how are you going to suddenly be able to afford buying a new washing machine if second hand ones are banned? You won't be able to buy a washing machine then.

    Maybe your theory needs to be applied to very specific selection of appliances? I'd agree that nobody should be buying used microwaves and dryers. Not unless they're extremely high end well made models (I'd imagine most people just buy cheap/middle of the line stuff)



  • Registered Users Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    my father bought a fridge new in 1965 i think it was,maybe 66,i was only a kid anyway...we sold the house in 1995,that fridge was still working,still in the kitchen,i visited the old home place last summer,that fridge is still in the kitchen and working....i think it will outlast all of us,why cant fridges be built like that anymore?


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    ps wheres my free,fancy rte flip-flops...?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,794 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Well I only posted it to get other people's ideas on it- I didnt realise it was going to get official with people wanting figures and statistics and all that





  • What??? In 2023 you didn’t expect the first post to be asking for your peer reviewed study??

    andy.. cmon



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,794 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    excellent Idea- I would be in support of that, as long as they were repaired properly and they were not ancient models, and you could still get parts for the appliance there would be no reason not to recycle then and put them into council houses and give to people in dire need who cannot afford to buy a new appliance



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    98.3% of your posts are stuff you make up in your head, and then ask what we think about it.





  • I’d argue that’s 99% of all threads on AH!



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,794 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    why cant fridges be built like that any more? - well for a start it has dangerous refrigerant gas/chemical in it damaging to the environment (maybe you are not worried about that) and because items were not as mass produced years ago using the cheapest of materials and quite possibly every fridge that left the factory in them days were quality tested , whereas these days you will be lucky to get 1 out of every 100 fridge produced to go through stringent quality testing at the factory these days ... then of course people would not want to pay / would not be prepared to pay in todays money what that fridge cost in 1965 , (if i have my calculations/conversions right £1iep in 1965 = €25 in 2023 - I dont know if irish punts were out in 1965, or would that have been pre-decimalisation? ) - fridges are cheaper these days, mass produced, not all quality tested and use cheaper parts (thinner metal and plastic and parts that wear out quicker than a 1965 built fridge)





  • that’s actually not true re quality checking

    theres laws surrounding the quality of electrical goods and they must pass a certain level of safety.

    Naturally all things can fail so it doesn’t indicate a lack of quality control. Then of course there’s the smaller electronics market with less regulated products and downright dangerous things

    but let me assure you that a cheap Chinese mp3 player setting itself on fire doesn’t indicate that a second hand washing machine is going to burn your house down.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,570 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Im sure they are plenty of people on the dole/retired etc that would be well qualified to do this job and top up their pay/entitlements as part of same, get rid of alot of scrap waste while also providing jobs and security/appliances to those that need them.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,045 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    There's enough built-in obsolescence with electrical goods as it is, if they can be bought secondhand that will reduce waste when people opt for newer and shinier.

    The EU is pushing for repair to become the norm rather than replace too.





  • A lot of the time it’s not as easy to repair things because manufacturers make it hard.

    You can have all the know how in the world but without access to proper parts and schematics you’re pissing into the wind. Repairing a product with counterfeit parts because you can’t get access to OEM means it won’t last as well or indeed be as safe, this is all down to the manufacturer.

    Then there’s the likes of Apple or Samsung who solder components to the fcuking logic board so it’s impossible without serious skills and equipment to repair these.

    If you are interested in this subject you should check out Louis Rossman on YouTube he does logic board level repairs on MacBooks etc and talks a lot about right to repair and the hardships repair shops run into because of manufacturer policies.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,570 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Yeah i do agree there are tonnes of small electronics that are hard to do but for the like of large scale appliances it really should be done. Most parts can be gotten off the shelf and I would have alot of experience with that. I work in a prison where tonnes of the electronics are repaired rather than dumped and it saves us a massive amount of money in the long run. Mostly all of what is done here is Kettles/TV's/Toasters/Fridges/Washing Machines/Tumble Dryers and most of the repairs are not too extensive bar cleaning the insides of the machines and maybe replace a part or two.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,794 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    its got to be a cheaper way of making stuff , not making it easier for people repair. - you imagine years ago when things used to have screws in them and screwed together. Great for the repairer to take apart. You imagine the manufacturer now no screws needed and they can just 'clip' the case together , or glue it together or mould the outer casing . you might say ah come on screws are a minimal cost ... but you add all them screws up for hundreds of thousands of the item they produce .... soon adds up and adds to the cost of manufacturing the item





  • There’s no excuse for soldering parts to the logic board on a laptop that costs €5,000 at its highest spec.

    none.

    sorry, my mistake, it’s actually €7,699 for the highest spec MacBook Pro 16”.

    I can’t upgrade the ram after buying it though because it’s soldered to the logic board. I also can’t change the SSD. Or the battery.

    In fact all I can do is turn it on and do the things Apple has decided I’m allowed do. If it breaks I have to pay them €€€’s to fix it.

    The irony? They don’t even fix it. They recycle it and send me a new one. Why? It’s too complicated even for them to fix.

    There’s no excuse. None. 0.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,794 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    cheaper for them to make - plus it could also be a better way of doing it/ more reliable. the amount of times I have had to re-seat RAM in windows PC's and laptop is a lot ... because they are in sockets- in that resepect if the RAM is actually soldered onto the main board its one less thing to fail because it has not got a socket to fit into with poor contact. Had that been cheap chinese design sure you could get dry joints or not enough solder used or poor quality solder used ... but not on a quality apple product though the soldering would be top notch



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,794 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    i used to fix kettles, toasters, vacuum cleaners 2 bar fires, radios and VHS video recorders (to a certain extent) back in the 90's used to get the parts handy enough from quinnspares in Dublin - parts were plentiful, most stuff were 'unscrewable' - i do remember a time when manufacturers started to use odd screws though to deter people removing the screws to repair them , they werent normal posidrive ones or torx screws they had their own weird screws.

    in the end I was getting less and less repairs, prices were starting to come down on small electrical appliances and it was getting cheaper to buy brand new than repair . - but for a certain time window a lot of people were going for the repair option.

    back in them days there was no such thing as the WEEE so all the discarded electrical items really were going into landfill!

    Post edited by Andy From Sligo on


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,794 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    you seem quite angry (or anger management issues) or stressed 😁



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,469 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    ... not more reliable with all the fun that was had with brittle lead free solder joints for several years after it was introduced.



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