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Frasier sequel ordered to series **Spoilers**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭ Sophie Sweet Yearbook


    i was watching it with my father and i said a similar comment to your point in the spoiler tag



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,816 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Well without spoiling any jokes I will just say they do address yout concerns.

    Its trying a bit too hard for laughs compared to the more subtle Frasier humour and the laugh track is intrusive. Needs to slow down a bit.

    Nicholas Lyndurst is good as is the actress playing his boss who have good timing together.

    Less sure yet about the guys playing the son (over acting) and nephew (thankless role).

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,105 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Its so funny what you say about David, because I had the exact same reaction and was going to describe him on here the exact same way.

    Watched the two episodes last night. I didn't find it terrible. Not great, not terrible. I got a few laughs out of it.

    Nicholas Lyndhursts character being an alcoholic is too overly done. not by him, just the constant references to it is too much.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,004 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    How about a random alcoholic being allowed to sleep on the couch of a single mother's apartment with a small baby? Tired old cliches and lazy writing, stuff like the baby being sneaked into the apartment while they were looking under the table or the dirt being dumped.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,004 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    I absolutely adore Frasier. Won't be able to see this new lot, but hoping it's good.

    I honestly don't think anything could be as good as the original.

    Nearly choked to death the first time I saw the episode of Niles and Eddie and the ironing board and the fire. How could something so simple be so funny but that man and his character were brilliant.



  • Registered Users Posts: 694 ✭✭✭Flowergirl201


    Is it only available on paramount app at the moment?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,105 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    The dumping of the dirt made no sense and served no purpose. It was in a sealed or closed at least container. For all David knew it could have been a seed starting to germinate.

    And why could Freddie not have just introduced Jenni as his room mate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,105 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Frasier always had a funny scene at the end after or during the credits. The dumping of the dirt was the ending scene, how could you miss it?!?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,551 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    It was a 1 bed apartment, if he had introduced her as his room mate he'd have been asked a bunch of other question like does he have money problems or whatever. He said girlfriend to end the conversation quicker.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,105 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    How would Frasier know it was a one bedroom apartment? Surely if you introduce someone as your room mate, thats the end of the conversation?

    Im using the term room mate the way they do in the US, the way we say housemates. In Friends, Chandler and Joey were room mates, but didnt share a room.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,631 ✭✭✭squonk


    The whole series feels a bit claustrophobic to me. I know the original Frasier wasn’t expansive with sets but neither Niles or Roz lived in Frasier’s building so they were free to be there or not depending on requirements. The radio station too was a great device as it allowed external characters like Bulldog and the celebrity callers to do their thing and add to the show.

    this feels smaller. Basically they’re all going to be at Frasier’s or, at least Freddie & his not girlfriend. Then there’s that tiny office he’s sharing with Rodney and the bar. I don’t see much scope to allow a bit more flow in that. I think if they had him move to Boston to do TV then it would have been a better choice.

    I watched the first two eps last night. They felt very contrived and not that funny. Honestly if this was a brand new comedy I was watching from cold with new characters to me, I’d be out already. I do realise they’re in a building phase at the moment so they should be allowed time to set up but it’s not seeming all that interesting. David seems like he has special needs. I know there trying to make a mini Niles out of the character but while Nikes was eccentric and strange at times, he never crossed that line if I remember.

    Also, maybe it’s because I’ve stopped watching mainstream TV for the most part and a mainly streaming these days but the laugh track seems antiquated. Time was I had the US cousins “send me” the new comedies each season and there were laugh tracks in all of those but it feels like something from a bygone era now.

    I’ve a feeling this may go the way of the Murohy Brown comeback a few years ago. I loved MB back in the day and was behind the new show all the way but even I had to admit time had moved on and it just wasn’t working. Better to remember the show as it was. I don’t think you can catch lightening in a bottle like that twice. The original was surprisingly great. Grammar is hitting the ground running to be fair but it’s expected as he’s playing the only returning character and he knows Frasier inside and out.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,453 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Have to say I found this a bit disappointing. I watched both Cheers and Frasier in the past year so I had high hopes for this. A lot of the acting felt like bad US sitcom hammy acting, particularly from the younger cast members.

    Frasier was a spinoff from Cheers and this feels like a spinoff from Frasier only the new characters don't really add anything. It feels like there's a lot missing and a lot of wasted potential given that none of the characters from either show have returned and they've had Frasier return to Boston. I know the Cheers set was taken down for Frasier but some sort of continuity would have been nice.

    I won't be cancelling my P+ subscription just yet as I'm watching the Mission: Impossible films. I don't have high hopes for this. Feels like a desperate attempt to resurrect an IP due to a lack of new ideas.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,004 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    It's probably a big ask to start a new series based on such a loved character but in reality even though Fasier was the title of the show he was more the middle man, the great supporting cast made it such a great show, the first couple of episodes they've tried to introduce a load of characters, probably too many too fast while also trying to capture the magic from the first.

    1. Freddie - total reset of this character from the genius child to fireman who wants to deny his father's existence. Martin from the original
    2. Housemate - can't even remember her name, she's trying to be the whimsy/cookey 1 but in reality she's a single mother who's boyfriend was killed in a fire. Probably the Daphne from the original.
    3. John - having a baby will always make for some setups, the Eddie of the show.
    4. Rodney - the sidekick, the academic equal but with a drink problem, trying a different type of Niles.
    5. Boss - putting her career first, probably Roz.
    6. Freddie's friends - probably the colleagues from the radio station
    7. Bars - the coffee shop

    I'll give it another few episodes but it's not going to be much more than just background noise for a while.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Let's be cynical here for a second in acknowledging that likely reason this show even exists at the moment is because the so-called "legacy sequel" series or film is still on trend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,816 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,004 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    They also own ALL the IP to it, Paramount is probably the weakest streaming service and need to get subscribers quick so will throw in for a lot of different shows in the hope of getting a winner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,105 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I agree on the claustrophobic feel. Which is funny considering Cheers was set entirely in the bar. I also feel there are too many characters. Which is also funny considering the broad and diverse set of characters in both Frasier and Cheers.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    You're not kidding: we have it purely for Star Trek, and yeah, there's Fúck All on that service worth watching. Unless one's big into Yellowstone I suppse.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,453 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It feels quite bare. In fairness, it is cheaper than Netflix but I'd rather have more and pay more if need be.

    I like that I can watch the MI films on it but once I get done with those, I'll probably cancel and get something else. Was great watching Cheers all the way through.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Netflix has the opposite problem these days IMO: am overwhelming firehose of output, about 10% of it watchable or memorable. Good luck finding the pearls among the muck!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,105 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    My recent forages into NetFlix have completely turned me off paying for it. I would say the 10% watchable is an optimistic figure.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,453 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'm actually shocked at how much dross there is on it.

    Regarding the Frasier reboot, it feels like an extended Family Guy cutaway ripping on sitcoms. I'm wondering if the new episode every week thing is to keep subscribers on the hook.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    I agree. Nexflix is fairly dire.

    I loved and love Frasier. I don't think I want to see this spin off judging by the comments here which I'm guess are very creditable.

    Way he'd cheers in the day and to have Frasier which was an even better show come out of it was probably never possible to repeat.

    Souch 'comefy' today is so contrived and I couldn't handle it🥴



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,105 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I do a full Frasier rewatch at least twice a year, and watch my favourite episodes randomly from time to time too. Curiosity got the best of me, and I watched the new one. If it doesn't improve, I'll just file it in with my least favourite episodes which I never watch and skip during rewatches.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Here's an interesting What IF: seems like the original idea before David Hyde Pierce said No was that Frasier & Niles would be running either a restaurant & small theatre; which does s ound exactly like something either them would do - with great comic potential in their natural snobbery coming up against the market

    As showrunners Joe Cristalli and Chris Harris tell it, getting David Hyde Pierce to reprise his role for the new Frasier was, of course, a priority. Discussions stretched out to solidify a narrative for the character — including one about a black-box theater, more on that in a bit — before Hyde Pierce decided there was nothing left to do with Niles. “He’s not the bad guy in this, and he was so lovely about it,” Cristalli says. Ultimately, his absence presented the duo with an opportunity to start a fresh story from scratch, which is layered on one main theme. “For both his professional world and personal relationships,” Harris explains, “it feels like it’s a time for Frasier to be giving back.”




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,453 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Interesting idea.

    I think it could have been cool to have a mixed Cheers/Frasier reboot with some of the characters from either show reflecting on things like getting older, the internet and so on.

    This just reminds of me of the fact that Seth MacFarlane wasn't supposed to be the lead in A Million Ways to die in the West. Paul Rudd turned it down. That didn't ruin the film in and of itself but it didn't augur well either.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,105 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    It sounds like an extension of the episode The Innkeepers, where Niles and Frasier run a restaurant and the place practically burns down on opening night. I think it would be a trope which would get old pretty quickly. That said, the "Odd couple" theme they have gone with could get old just as quickly.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I think if you wanted to keep the chemistry of the Cranes being these utterly out of touch snobs, and mine the comedy with a modern touch, then theatre or food would have been a good place to go. we've already seen movies rip into the nonsense culture of "cuisine" with things like Pig or The Menu.

    Interesting Hyde-Pierce felt there was nowhere else to go with Niles though; sounds like while the concept might have had potential, there was no new characterisation to tempt the actor back.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,816 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    If they were brining it back for a limited once off run of X episodes, I think it would have been a good concept for that.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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