"I started a joke, that started the whole world ......" | Ireland v New Zealand.

Tombo2001 · 16-10-2023 4:36pm

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Couldnt agree more - they played very very well. The New Zealand team, according to its own fanbase, played its very best game for a number of years.

Choking would be losing to Scotland last week.

AbusesToilets · 16-10-2023 4:42pm

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Not going to answer the question then? Why am I not surprised

happyoutscan · 16-10-2023 4:50pm

While limited, my rugby knowledge tells me that in no way at all did the Irish team choke against the All-Blacks.

Not in a million years.

Seadin · 16-10-2023 4:51pm

Ireland teams are clear specialists in RWC Quarter Final exits.

The only team along with Italy in the 6 nations never to do it and southern hemisphere top 4. So 8 teams ahead of us have done it. This is embarrassing and we need to end this fast or we be the laughing stock in Rugby Union. Unfortunately we have to wait at least another four years.

Piskin · 16-10-2023 4:58pm

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It's a joke in truth. 10 WC"s and mostly inept displays in knockout games. 1991 & 2023 were the only 2 decent attempts. No excuse for it.

noc1980 · 16-10-2023 5:03pm

How can we hope to progress when we can't admit we're chokers in quarter finals? Steve Hansen admitted the ABs choked for 20 years before 2011. Admitting it is step 1 in changing our mindset. The last time we had a lead in a QF Bill Clinton was president. We've gone multiple scores down in the first 20 minutes in each of our last 4 attempts.

If we had reached a SF before then you could say that "these things happen" about Saturday night but given our history, it's undeniable that there are mental barriers when we see the exact same thing happen again and again. Not just losing, but starting slowly, never leading, always having to chase the game. It's a pattern and we need to acknowledge it.

riddles · 16-10-2023 5:04pm

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It is at least a symptom of choking when a team delays a split second executing on something they do another day seamlessly and there was evidence of that all through the game which denied Ireland their normal fluidity.

FrancieBrady · 16-10-2023 5:05pm

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Because on Sat we didn’t choke? If we choked you might as well call all losses choking.

Seadin · 16-10-2023 5:07pm

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Wales have done it few times along with England France and even Scotland in 1991. I think if the IRFU want this to end and address it, the first thing they need is to get the best people money can buy into the setup and work on the players mindset s this should be a priority because we have no problems getting to QFs it's what happens afterwards is the issue. The media hype has to be controlled as well and we need to come in under the radar with nobody giving us a chance, that's where we are dangerous. A different approach is needed.

captbarnacles · 16-10-2023 5:10pm

Genererally you have to have a lead to choke or a big advantage pre-match. We did not as the match was rated roughly even. We lost by 4 points in an even contest which is anything but shocking.

Bad news for some here, whatever we do in the next 4 years if we play NZ in a quarter final in 2027 we'll still have at best a 50/50 shot of winning.

Seadin · 16-10-2023 5:11pm

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We did. We left them get ahead too much and had to chase the game very like all the previous QF exits. We needed to be the ones putting 13-0 on the scoreboard first.

eagle eye · 16-10-2023 5:14pm

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They didn't 'anoint' themselves best in the world. They were ranked no.1 by the governing body of the sport.

And it's not the first hurdle of the World Cup, that's the pool stages and we beat South Africa who beat France yesterday.

It's the second hurdle which is the first knockout match.

I think we'll be stronger in four years time and hopefully we can break that duck.

captbarnacles · 16-10-2023 5:15pm

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We came back three times in the match when down which is not very choking behaviour. I think Irish teams of the past would have taken a severe beating from those positions. This team didn't to their credit.

Iamabeliever · 16-10-2023 5:18pm

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Poor example. You could possibly say Sexton's missed penalty or Kelleher held up over the line. Match winning chances which were squandered which they would normally execute. Going down 13 0 was just new Zealand being a quality side.

eagle eye · 16-10-2023 5:23pm

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Don't bother talking about choking. These people don't know what they are talking about.

Only an individual might choke in sports. A whole team doesn't choke and to suggest they could or did is ridiculous.

Seadin · 16-10-2023 5:26pm

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Sextons miss was critical to our chances of winning. I for one was ever fully confident of Johnny Sexton nailing a pressure kick. Always thought that of him when he missed the routine penalty in front of goal v New Zealand back in 2013. He is good but not as good as other kickers.

Other things that I thought Ireland didn't execute brilliantly was at the start of the match when NZ doing the haka and Ireland team forming the figure 8. I know it was a gesture of respect for Anthony Foley but they really lost their focus by doing that. They should have stood still and not do anything.

Iamabeliever · 16-10-2023 5:26pm

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Media hype? The media hype only serves the fan nothing else.

Augme · 16-10-2023 5:28pm

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Calling all losses choking doesn't make sense. Calling performances when the better team plays well below the level they are capable of and loses to an inferior team choking would be a decent place to start though.

FrancieBrady · 16-10-2023 5:34pm

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We were not the 'better' team. That has somehow been taken as a fact, when it isn't.

We are on a par with a number of teams, each of whom can easily be better on a given day.

And I didn't see a team 'well' below this 'level' (which remains mysterious)

I saw a team playing in a game which ebbed and flowed with momentum swings, near misses, mistakes and moments of brilliance.

I saw a team put together a 30+ phase and on the up swing of the momentum at the end.

I saw a team who lost by 4 and a team delighted to win.

I didn't see anyone choke.

bucketybuck · 16-10-2023 5:37pm

You saw a team that had everything in its favour play well below its form and its potential. You did see a choke and you know it, you just don't want to admit it.

eagle eye · 16-10-2023 5:38pm

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The only thing I seen was a bit of fatigue but they battled well even with that going on.

bucketybuck · 16-10-2023 5:42pm

You know who didn't choke this weekend? Fiji. Fair play to them, they went out there and played their hearts out, come the crunch game they stood up to be counted and played well above their level.

And they lost. They lost, but they didn't choke.

See how that works?

France didn't choke. They went out there and had a barnstormer of a game, they came flying out the blocks and gave it a damn good rattle. And they lost, but they didn't choke.

Then you have Ireland, who had absolutely everything in their favour but went out there and had a rubbish start, and who had perhaps their worst performance in a year.

Fiji, France, Ireland, one of those performances was not like the other.

It isn't complicated.

FrancieBrady · 16-10-2023 5:42pm

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You convinced yourself they had 'everything' in their favour, they didn't and if you think they did I hope you never get near a team to implement your plan.

You folk are debating this topic as if all you had done was read click bait 'we are the boys in green' articles.

Everything was not in our favour.

Dubinusa · 16-10-2023 5:44pm

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I'd say our line out choked. It has for a while. Possibly the weakest line out among the tier 1 sides. That's the breaks, if we couldn't fix it and do better with it for the last year then no lessons were learned. It's certainly a coaching failure.

Dubinusa · 16-10-2023 5:45pm

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Rob Kearney has choked in the past. Many sides he was on that didn't perform.

aloooof · 16-10-2023 5:48pm

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Then you have Ireland, who had absolutely everything in their favour but went out there and had a rubbish start, and who had perhaps their worst performance in a year.

This just isn't accurate. Aside from the "everything in their favour" comment, off the top of my head - Samoa, England and Italy in the 6 Nations, Fiji, Australia in the AI's were all poorer performances than Saturday night.

FrancieBrady · 16-10-2023 5:49pm

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A lot of the problems in the line out where a result of the opposition closing the gap and it not being pinged. You can't blame coaching for that. We took measures like shortening it that helped.

Piskin · 16-10-2023 5:49pm

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A better more astute setup needs to be brought in with a focus on the WC first and foremost. The ingame management in WC's has been inept everytime. In truth we have come in under the radar before and still failed. The problem is in the players lack of mentality as we have had numerous coaches since 1987. Cannot handle pressure.

Dazler97 · 16-10-2023 5:50pm

We should've gotten through the results should've been like France and south Africa there really should have been 1 point with us being the winner but sadly no , because sexton is gone our team is gonna go to **** he was our strongest player , hope new Zealand lose in the world Cup

eagle eye · 16-10-2023 5:53pm

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This wasn't a one off problem so coaching has to take the blame for not fixing it before the World Cup. It's being going in quite a while now.

"I started a joke, that started the whole world ......" | Ireland v New Zealand.

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