Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

This is the million dollar question. If IDF causes a disproportionate level of civilian casualties, it's a war crime. But all signs are that so far they are not, the opposite rather.

Very interesting.

At what level of civilian casualties is it disproportionate? What is the figure?

100% homer ! All those Ukrainian beheading videos ! I will take umbrage with the Simpsons however , they lampooned Christianity, Judaism, Hindu etc , but were terrified to have a go at Islam !

Exactly. As much as that disgusts some. Israel are doing well against them.

But if they are not involved why send so many marines. And if they are not going to be involved why do you keep posting information on their movements? If its just a show of force I don't think we need to be updated about every ship movement.

I don't know, I don't think there are hard numbers or percentages. I asked ChatGPT and got quite a decent answer. Particularly the last paragraph could be crucial here if Hamas are using human shields.

"Disproportionate civilian casualty levels in war refer to a situation where the number of civilian casualties (deaths or injuries) exceeds what might be considered reasonable or justifiable in relation to the military objectives pursued. In armed conflicts, it is generally accepted that civilian casualties are unavoidable to some extent, but international humanitarian law places significant emphasis on minimizing harm to non-combatants.

The principle of proportionality is a fundamental aspect of international humanitarian law (IHL). It states that warring parties must refrain from conducting attacks that may be expected to cause excessive harm to civilians or civilian objects compared to the anticipated military advantage gained. In simpler terms, the military advantage gained should outweigh the potential harm to civilians.

When an attack results in civilian casualties that are grossly disproportionate to the expected military advantage, it can be considered a violation of the principle of proportionality, which is a breach of international humanitarian law. Such incidents can lead to war crimes investigations and prosecutions.

Determining what constitutes a "disproportionate" level of civilian casualties can be a complex assessment, as it involves weighing the value of a military objective against the potential harm to civilians. Factors taken into consideration may include the importance of the military target, the availability of alternative methods of attack, and the potential for collateral damage.

It's worth noting that in modern conflicts, densely populated urban areas are often the battlegrounds, making it particularly challenging to avoid civilian casualties. Efforts are made by military forces to use precision-guided weapons and adhere to rules of engagement that prioritize the protection of non-combatants. However, despite these efforts, civilian casualties still occur, and the assessment of proportionality remains a contentious issue, especially in conflicts where asymmetric warfare or insurgency tactics are employed.

It's important to emphasize that minimizing harm to civilians is a shared responsibility among all parties involved in a conflict, and accountability for civilian casualties is a crucial aspect of post-conflict justice and reconciliation efforts."

Those aren't the same aid packages.

The one that was to be "cancelled" (paused at least) was handled by the EU but was coming directly from the member state coffers. This is from the EU itself.

Out of the money last week only 4 countries (Ireland, Spain, Netherlands, and Luxembourg) objected to that move which is why the EU backtracked but it's only their money that is still continuing, the rest of the EU members have stalled their contributions.

Honestly I I was in the states for the treacy Ullman show debut and thought the first 10 series or so were gold , OK , my point was that I never seen an episode lampooning Islam when at the time there was ample fodder , I suppose Phil Hartman being shot dead by his wife brought their mortality into focus , never mind Charlie hbedo!

Pro Palestinian activist, said he was Islamic State member, still at large with an Ak.

I see Bibi is already trying to lay all the blame on the Security Services for what happened, rather predictable but ultimately a futile exercise. He won numerous elections on the basis he would keep Israelis safe, that other potential leaders were too soft for the job. Yet he has presided over the worst massacre of Israelis since the foundation of their state. He is finished after the war. Still he will get to live out a nice retirement. There are many who might think he should be in prison for the various crimes he has commited over the years.

Right, so although it gets cold for a while in winter, the real problem isn't lack of heating but lack of water, and lack of food.

Thirst will almost always kill you a lot faster than the cold, which you can dress up against. Hunger will get you eventually, a long lingering death.

Which do you think is best - to die of the cold, of thirst or of hunger?

POTUS warns it would be a "big mistake" for Israel to conduct an occupation of Gaza territory. "Israel is going to act under the major (?) rules of war."

"Working like hell" on hostage crisis

"Will provide [Israel] everything they need" military force

"Yes" to humanitarian corridor for Gazans out of the area

"Yes" to humanitarian supplies brought into Gaza

"Yes" to Hamas annihilation, but needs to be a Palestinian Authority, and path to a Palestinian State.

"Don't, Don't, Don't" to Hezbollah and Iran.

The full source interview

Source please.