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"I started a joke, that started the whole world ......" | Ireland v New Zealand.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭Piskin


    Meant prop sorry, typo error. Porter was awful the whole tournament and was making the same mistakes



  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭Piskin


    Adapted too late...again couldn't think on their feet when it mattered most.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭Murph85


    Another question, did it get to the players or did they just have an off game? They aren't robots, you're not going to be at your best every single match.... its why sports is so compelling. Its why we watch it. The minnows having their day out in the sun sometimes v the big boys...



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There's a lot of nonsense talk about 'We were hyping ourselves up'. Firstly who is we, also people need to understand the nature of sport and enthusiasm.

    1. Andy Farrell his management team or players never hyped themselves up. They are European Champions, Series winners in New Zealand and thus one of the top 4 favourites. We never entered a World Cup as strongly. These things can't be denied and are not hype.
    2. Posters on here. All the rugby core posters, Syd, Venjur, Aloof and the countless others were all optimistic but wary. We weren't a standout favourite like New Zealand in 2011 and 2015.
    3. This has been a fairly dull sports year for many, the GAA inter county season is over in July, our Soccer team are at a low ebb. What was there left to build up to.. the Rugby World Cup. You had friendlies from August. A two month tournament. That's a lot of time to talk about rugby. It's not the management or team's fault July to October would be dominated in the media by Rugby World Cup talk. There's a huge cross section of people who follow all our team sports. So it was going to be rugby July on.
    4. The rugby team and management are very likeable people. Andy Farrell is a decent man, with Irish roots and a working class background that a wide cross section of people relate to. He's a very popular straight talking man. His predecessors were good men too. Andrew Porter, Josh VDF, Doris, Ringrose, Aki, Furlong etc are all grounded fine young men, leaders and men with character. Sexton and O'Mahony have their edge and not everyone's cup of tea. But every team has those personalities. I saw Sexton on the Late Late in the Spring with a girl with a serious disability. She spoke of how he always kept in touch. He's a different man away from the pitch. God knows we all know people who lose it a bit on the pitch in any sport but are often fine people away from that environment.
    5. If Virgin or RTE are constantly making ads about rugby, so what? Are you going to berate our team because Donal Lenihan says 'we can dare to dream'?? That's television. When Dancing With The Stars is on it's two months of ads about that. Rubbish shows like the talent ones on Virgin are advertised to death. This doesn't mean the rugby populace or the team and management are doing the hyping. That's television the world over.
    6. Just adding. A miserably wet summer and autumn since July had a lot looking forward to an escape more than ever!

    At the end of the day we were a top 4 team with New Zealand, France and South Africa. The 4 teams got tough draws. We played a quarter final against New Zealand we made some errors in and lost by 4 points. We fought back well from 0-13. We had a chance to win it, we were held up over the line. We lost that's sport. Anyone who has ever been involved at any level of any sport will know that. I'm not even going into explaining what a bottler is again. I was in old Lansdowne when we lost by about 50 points to New Zealand in 1997. We just keep improving. It's a long way back to 1997. A few posters have mentioned shame and embarrassment. That's, quite frankly ridiculous, and attitudes and feelings like that are owned by the individuals who typed them. They are yours and belong to nobody else. The question for you is why are you adopting a Roy Keane pre 2002 World Cup approach that anything other than outright victory is failure? Do you apply those same standards to areas of your life? Do you apply them as stringently to other sports Irish teams are involved in? If you're coming from a GAA, Soccer, Horse Racing, Boxing etc background do you apply these standards to the teams you support? Would you belittle their achievements if similar to the rugby team's Six Nations and New Zealand series win..

    Do non rugby people realise a Test Series is not a group of friendlies? Do you understand how small our rugby playing population is and the scale of our over achievement? Just a few thoughts.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Good luck and well done! Improving really well and played a great game.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭captbarnacles


    What a game. Highly recommend watching it again.

    Aaargh @ Kelleher looking at the ref before picking that ball up!!!!! critical, critical error and NZ get a penalty from the resulting scrum.

    NZ comms on replay I'm watching and they are a million times better than RTE. Can we borrow them for all our live rugby?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's a good question. It's hard to break sporting barriers, we would have got to a semi only for the draw IMO. I often think of Limerick hurlers. They were losing finals in 1994, 1996, 2007 etc and really heading the Mayo route. How John Kiely and his team turned them around mentally is seriously impressive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,599 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    A few absolute brilliant thoughts. Very balanced and sensible post.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,603 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Sarcastic nature of the post aside, lets actually examine what you're claiming here.

    Hey everybody, turns out that this wasn't actually Irelands best ever chance to win a world cup. They weren't actually the number one team in the world

    I've seen nobody claim otherwise.

    they didn't have only one injury,

    Hansen too looked to be carrying an injury tbh. Not bad enough to keep him out, but certainly not firing on all cylinders. Earls too was injured and may have made the 23.

    New Zealand weren't actually considered 2nd favourites for only the 6th time in history,

    Which, if anything, is actually indicative of how difficult a task it is to beat NZ

    New Zealand didn't get hit with 2 yellow cards during the game.

    Again, obviously nobody has claimed otherwise. Yet this overlooks the fact that discipline is something within your remit.

    And most importantly, Ireland didn't actually underperform in the game, they didn't make a mess of their set plays and nobody was below par in any way at all.

    Again, I've seen nobody make this claim.

    So overal, rather than this:

    Why do we have to pretend all that? Because some people can't be objective about what happened.

    It's much more that some people like to present plenty of strawmen within their arguments.



  • Registered Users Posts: 245 ✭✭Tommysocks11


    What's the issue with porters scrummaging, why didn't he just ensure he was square and just solidify the scrum without boring in and hips flared out, cost us 3 penalties and probably the game, and why didn't referee pull NZ on the line out encroaching where they were literally on our side and not keeping the distance?



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,603 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Aside from anyone else, Sheehan should've been phased out 4 years ago?? Call up the U20's, lads!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    We did not have a tough group. We won 82-8, 59-16 and 36-14 against 3 poor sides.


    We played 1 tough match in the group, that's all. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,685 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    We had a tougher group than NZ.

    We could not afford to slack v SA.

    Scotland get one of us a red card and suddenly an 8 point win is not a mountain to climb. It was a darn sight tougher than what NZ came through.

    Who would be the first guys and gals whinging had we messed up in the group? The same guys and gals calling bottlers



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sheehan phased out at 21 would have been extremely harsh.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 Paidin Mhaire


    That's a low blow for sure. How am I to increase my post count in environs of such exclusivity ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    What are you talking about red cards against Scotland for?

    NZ pool was no tougher than ours, a top ranked team, a 6 Nations bottom feeder, and 2 dross teams making up numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,599 ✭✭✭✭walshb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,685 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Sometimes wonder did the new arrivals watch the tournament at all.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,603 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Equating Italy and Scotland here is just silly. Scotland are (unfortunately) a much better team.

    In this RWC cycle, Scotland have won 11 6 Nations games. Italy have won 1 solitary game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,599 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    No surer thing that many these posts about bottling and choking are from folks who are delighted we lost just so they can have a pop at the team because the rugby fraternity think they’re so great and so lauded and admired. It’s a begrudger stance with many.

    Of course, they’ll pretend it’s all to do with standards and wanting the best for the team, but that’s all fake bollix.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,188 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    a 6 Nations bottom feeder

    🙄🙄🙄




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,685 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It was a bruising physical encounter with Scotland despite the score. Italy were so placid against NZ some of us here were wondering if they had thrown the game deliberately in order to face France in a winner takes all game.

    Hence me wondering if these people actually watched the games and are just looking at score-lines. Would explain a lot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭Seadin


    Are there sports psychologists employed by the IRFU and if so who are they? They had a role to play in this too. The players were so nervous including Johnny which I can't get my head around. The players were trusting the process, why were they nervous if this was the case on the biggest day of it all for Irish rugby? Were they afraid to dare to dream? They made a right balls of it for a team that was supposed to win. This will haunt them especially when France were knocked out afterwards. They won't get a better chance of getting to a final. The are bottlers sorry to say at this competition, the RWC quarter final exiters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,685 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What made you think they wouldn’t be nervous?

    Nerves are routine NZ had them too. Watch the game, they ballooned kicks and threw dodgy passes at the start. The nerves for both disappeared



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,599 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    How can you possible know that the players were “so nervous?” And you do realise, that some nerves aren’t always a bad thing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭Iamabeliever



    "Why were they nervous if this was the case on the biggest day of it all for Irish rugby" Probably answered your own question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭Murph85


    We had sa and the fifth ranked side in the world. The fact we obliterated Scotland i think, just shows our strength...



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭captbarnacles


    People who are saying we bottled it go and watch the match again. Where and how did we bottle it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭Iamabeliever


    Think both teams looked edgy myself. Having a good start for both teams was crucial.

    Hindsight is wonderful but we probably should of went to the posts on the first penalty. Even as a nerve settler. Lineout was never a guarantee.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,685 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Correct. In a hard physical game we beat Scotland. Nothing like what NZ went through via their 6 Nations opponents. That game was over without a physical challenge after 15 minutes and we basically had an exhibition game. Then there was the SA tempest that was hugely physical until the 80th minute.



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