Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

They are striking back in the south also. Civilians have been killed in Khan Younis and other places in South Gaza

He will likely be giving them a window to achieve their stated aims and to ensure they do their best to minimise civilian casualties . As the longer this drags on the the harder it will be for their allies not to break rank. Already we see the Canadians doing so slightly. Also the danger that Iranian proxies get involved will increase each day this lasts. If they are really intent on going house to house in Gaza city this war could drag on for months. I don't think Biden will allow it.

An estimated 1000 of them were killed on the day and on subsequent days (Israeli figures).

A quick google shows there are 40k of them in Gaza. So I guess 1k down, 39k to go

The gaza strip is 40 something KM squared.

There's 2.5 million people there. Where exactly is a safe place? They're bombing the south too. They've asked for hospitals, with patients who can't be moved, to be evacuated.

Hamas have an extensive network of tunnels and bunkers. The bombing will do little to hurt them as an org. And what's to stop Hamas from moving south as well?

The fact is that the israelies aren't after justice. They're after vengeance. The israeli government is a far right government. At the end they'll have killed many multiples of what Hamas did. They'll level critical infrastructure and make the area uninhabitable. They'll keep the blockade up so that it can't be repaired. Some of Hamas will be killed but not all. And after tens of thousands of civilians are killed, and their homes destroyed, Hamas will have a lot of new recruits.

It's like the whole of Dublin was sealed off, and everyone told to move to the south side and then still bomb the south side. Except there's a million more people.

That's pretty indiscriminate. Those bombs are so destructive that they can't be dropped from a low altitude without a special attachment because otherwise the explosion will damage the plane. they have a lethal blast radius of about 2400 metres squared.

BTW, I do hope that the hamas fighters and their leaders are tracked down. But all civilian deaths should be avoided. And a 500lb in a city is guaranteeing civilian casualties.

There's is no my lot several individuals from the very outside have set out quite intensionally to downplay and deflect and victim blame the victims of this massive terrorist attack, nothing but page after page of whatabouts ,you had ago at a post about Ships being deployed you know constant updates again deflection,your not discussing anything really it's just been sarky post one after another, nobody is stopping anyone from discussing anything on this thread including the total rewriting of history including Israel Bombing of UNFIL yesterday, when it's already been documented rockets landed on both sides of the blue line as it called nobody said Israel bombed UNFIL,

Again talking about the Ukraine thread and what's allowed and whats not allowed to be discussed is not true the only people who decide that is the Mods nobody else there's hundreds of Images and videos showing war ,dead soldiers both Ukrainian and Russian,and including images of dead Ukrainian children and the aftermath of massacres of men women and children and the elderly carried out by the Russians forces ,

Another poster comes out oh the denials about phosphorus, nobody has denied that either but again several posters on here suggest it was ,the same several people who denied reports on how people including men women and children died ,all they were short of doing was asking for the official autopsy reports for the 1300 killed so they could argue every little point to try chalk a number,

And yes I did say withhold aid until the hostages are released its called negotiation, it's that or the other option Israel comes in and Burns Gaza to the ground while trying to get the hostages back ,

Unfortunately this is a war started and sponsored by people outside of Israel and America who only want chaos ,

This could be over in a few days of they hand over the hostages and terrorists,

But oddly enough it seems people would rather some drawn out saga that could go on for years rather than a rapid cessation to the violence

Don't disagree with most of that. But what else can realistically happen here? Not a chance Israel will turn the other cheek, that would be a major win for Hamas, also embolden Hezbollah and it's not really in the nature of what the Israeli people are at, certainly not after these brutal terrorist attacks. I can't see Israel giving in to the latest demands from Hamas either to exchange a few hundred kidnapped Israeli civilians for 6000 jailed Hamas terrorists

Uncensored videos being shared on Telegram and Snapchat Map of what’s happening in Gaza right now. Absolutely appalling scenes with videos of women and babies with their faces blown off and blood everywhere at the side of the road. thousands of people queuing for bread for their families, people walking miles to try even get one litre of water for their families.

biden is travelling to Israel tomorrow and has said he will continue to show solidarity with Israel and supports them ‘defending themseves’

israel have said a ground invasion may not happen and it may be ‘something different’

what’s the possibility of them going in with nuclear weapons?