"I started a joke, that started the whole world ......" | Ireland v New Zealand.

17-10-2023 3:12pm

The Kiwi lads on here speak of 1991-2007. Greats like Richie McCaw went through loss at a WC QF. Cully, Jonah, Kronfeldt, Mehrtens no WC. Players every bit as good, or better, than Earls, Johnny etc. Think of all the French greats with no WC. Now including Dupont, so far in his career, but no guarantees. One northern hemisphere winner ever. That's the big picture. All bottlers!!!

17-10-2023 3:15pm

All my life I'm hearing there'll never be another Geoghegan, Wood, O'Driscoll. There won't.

But others come around and bring their own qualities and form part of another team, era.

bucketybuck · 17-10-2023 3:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121250134#Comment_121250134

Good man, you earlier admitted that Ireland were not at their best and now you say that actually they stepped it up.

A good illustration of your intentions here.

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2023 3:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121250283#Comment_121250283

I am around since the 'there will never be another Willie John McBride' days. 😁

And there never was, but there was just as good and better. Good job nobody folded the tent and gave up,

bucketybuck · 17-10-2023 3:22pm

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Despite some mistakes made, I am a big fan of Andy Farrell. I think he created an environment and a situation where everything was as good as it possibly could have been for Ireland to succeed. He teed it up and the players left it behind them.

I hope he sticks around, I'm not sure he will though, it must be hard to swallow on his part and he may feel England would have a different end result.

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2023 3:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121250297#Comment_121250297

After a bad start, they did. Several times to haul NZ back in. Were not able to do it at the end. Lost by one score.

17-10-2023 3:22pm

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It could be worse... if you said Jackie Kyle I'd say hello Mr. Hook! How's the lovely Ingrid😁

Iamabeliever · 17-10-2023 3:28pm

As good as new Zealand/South africa were last Saturday. I think either England or Argentina might pull off a shock!

Would love to see English lift the web Ellis

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2023 3:29pm

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The last thing Farrell is, is petulant. He will take his share of the responsibility like the man he is and won't blame his players.

If you did know anything about him you'd know he doesn't do blame, he will quietly assess the performances and pinpoint the multifactorial reasons why it didn't go to plan, what NZ did to disrupt the plan and ultimately how to avoid it in future.

He's a pro in other words, the toys will stay in the pram.

17-10-2023 3:30pm

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If England don't win it outright they're nothing but a shower of bottlers, largest rugby playing population, final experience 2019😂

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2023 3:32pm

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I think SA will be vunerable. It's possible. It's cup final sport after all.

Green Peter · 17-10-2023 4:16pm

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Ireland isn't a laughing stock, it's just a few who like to tell everyone they knew better when they made a half prediction on a game that was 50/50 at best. They seem to have a problem with people thinking Ireland had even the 50/50 chance. We lost move on.

roverjoyce · 17-10-2023 4:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121250084#Comment_121250084

No they planned to peak for a quarter final whilst Ireland peaked in the group stages again,

hahashake · 17-10-2023 4:24pm

I haven't seen much gloating/mocking from outside of Ireland, in large part because it was a good game and a close result.

Ireland were second-best in many areas in the game (lineout, scrum, backrow, breakdown) yet still could've won, which shows their quality as a side.

bucketybuck · 17-10-2023 4:32pm

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Nobody said anything about petulant or toys except you. Consider that for a moment.

Andy Farrell strikes me as a very rational person, so to repeat myself, he may simply feel that England have a better shot at the ultimate goal than Ireland do.

Hardly a controversial thought to have.

TRC10 · 17-10-2023 4:48pm

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Ireland isn't a laughing stock

Only tier one nation to have never got past the quarter finals. Yeah we are

walshb · 17-10-2023 4:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121248192#Comment_121248192

Sounds clever and philosophical, but really is nonsense!!

walshb · 17-10-2023 4:57pm

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Good spot!!! No idea how it makes us a laughing stock. Lot more to look into regarding that stat..

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2023 5:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121250638#Comment_121250638

You aren't even self aware enough to realise the implications of what you type. You came out with this:

He teed it up and the players left it behind them.

In other words his good work was undone and the players were to blame for leaving it behind.

It is petulant, not to mention childish, to blame the players in a team sport that involves the skills of many including the coach. And Farrell wouldn't blame the players because he is a pro and is not childish & petulant.

He is entitled to go where he wants and he'll be given credit for what he has done here like Schmidt before him.

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2023 5:12pm

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There'll be plenty laughing at those who thought we had some kind of entitlement to win it, or just had to turn up to claim the prize. There always is and I would be laughing at those opposing supporters if they did the same.

Not much laughing at those who were at the coalface trying to win it.

awec · 17-10-2023 5:25pm

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thought we had some kind of entitlement to win it, or just had to turn up to claim the prize.

This is completely incorrect and absolutely nobody has suggested this at any point in this thread. This is an entirely disingenuous take on what is being said, absolutely warping reality.

There is a huge difference between "Ireland just had to turn up to win" and "Ireland didn't play their best, which is very frustrating given the occasion, and this contributed to the defeat".

This thread is pushing a narrative that Ireland gave it their all, it was a 50/50 and we were just beaten on the day. This is not reality, this is revisionism. Ireland did not give it their all, Ireland were not playing their best. Ireland's performance was not terrible, but it wasn't amazing either. The team that played closer to their potential won, the team that didn't play to their potential lost.

Yes, Ireland may still have lost if they had put in the performance they were capable of, but at least in this scenario you can genuinely say we left nothing behind us out there. In this scenario, nobody could have any real complaints. This is absolutely not what happened though, that result absolutely comes with what-ifs, if-onlys, how-did-he-miss-that questions and comments.

Being frustrated at how we lost that game is entirely fair, it's entirely legitimate. Trying to shrug it off as "just sport" is IMO incredibly small time and a really weak response to what could have been.

bucketybuck · 17-10-2023 5:40pm

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I am aware enough to know your schtik, and your transparent ploy to change what was said.

You do not get to put words in my mouth, not when your words are so meritless.

I never once said anything about blame, petulance or childishness. Not once, and damn sure you cannot quote me doing so. This is all about you making things up.

I did say Ireland underperformed when it mattered though. Noticeable that you don't want to talk about that, since it shows you up quite a bit.

bucketybuck · 17-10-2023 5:41pm

This would be a valid discussion if 2 posters weren't so intent on winning a fight that they invented.

thebaz · 17-10-2023 5:42pm

thers no doubt Ireland gave ther all , wasnt a lack of effort , but some players like Van def Flier, Furlong looked less than 100% (over used/ not rested properly) but they still gave 100% .

I said before game the nerves must have been unreal , you would not be human if not affected , perhaps thats why Dorris too was not at 100% - the magnitude of the game , which was bigger for Ireland given we never won a knockout game, and NZ have 3 World cups already, though they too suffered for a period with the cut throat knockout rugby.

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2023 5:45pm

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You said:

He teed it up and the players left it behind them.

Now you can't even own what you said in black and white.

They left 'it' behind them is blame in anybody's book.

Weasel words now trying to get people removed. Lovely.

Then you invent a notion that I never discussed underperforming. They didn't win, they underperformed for a variety of reasons and in a variety of positions. They also played incredibly well in a variety of positions and a variety of reasons. They are all there in my postings

Piskin · 17-10-2023 5:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121250701#Comment_121250701

No it's not

Piskin · 17-10-2023 5:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121248425#Comment_121248425

Wrong

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2023 5:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121250822#Comment_121250822

They gave all they had to give on the day.

Do you think if they had something that would have won they game that day that they would hold it back?

Yes on another day they may have had something else to give but that was another day, another set of circumstances, another team etc.

ersatz · 17-10-2023 5:53pm

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Yeah, I agree with this. We've had a few games in the past year where we weren't great but did enough to win. Scotland and England in the 6N come to mind, Samoa too. Here it was a bit of that and coming up against a team waiting in the long grass who were insanely highly motivated and with a coaching team who really did there homework on us. Managing to put Porter and the ref in the position they did on the scrum is just hat tip stuff. that's turning their own weakness into a strength. The line break by Mounga for Jordan's try was exquisite and one of those insights into opposition weakness/behaviour that Joe is known for, same could be said for the chips that BB and Savea recovered. I'm not sure we came with a tailored plan for them in the same way. We went out to play our game and didn't play it to the very best of our ability. Murray's crazy effort to wrap up Barrett and prevent him competing was just a brain fart of the highest order from one of our most experienced and normally composed players, Doris took his eye off a restart catch, thou it was a brilliantly placed kick and we were not positioned properly, and Johnny's mad chip ahead, all uncharacteristic errors. We were masters of our own downfall in that respect, we made a few mistakes while they didn't make as many.

Piskin · 17-10-2023 5:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121248386#Comment_121248386

He wasn't at the races mentally and was knackered at half-time.

"I started a joke, that started the whole world ......" | Ireland v New Zealand.

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