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Frasier sequel ordered to series **Spoilers**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    How would Frasier know it was a one bedroom apartment? Surely if you introduce someone as your room mate, thats the end of the conversation?

    Im using the term room mate the way they do in the US, the way we say housemates. In Friends, Chandler and Joey were room mates, but didnt share a room.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,808 ✭✭✭squonk


    The whole series feels a bit claustrophobic to me. I know the original Frasier wasn’t expansive with sets but neither Niles or Roz lived in Frasier’s building so they were free to be there or not depending on requirements. The radio station too was a great device as it allowed external characters like Bulldog and the celebrity callers to do their thing and add to the show.

    this feels smaller. Basically they’re all going to be at Frasier’s or, at least Freddie & his not girlfriend. Then there’s that tiny office he’s sharing with Rodney and the bar. I don’t see much scope to allow a bit more flow in that. I think if they had him move to Boston to do TV then it would have been a better choice.

    I watched the first two eps last night. They felt very contrived and not that funny. Honestly if this was a brand new comedy I was watching from cold with new characters to me, I’d be out already. I do realise they’re in a building phase at the moment so they should be allowed time to set up but it’s not seeming all that interesting. David seems like he has special needs. I know there trying to make a mini Niles out of the character but while Nikes was eccentric and strange at times, he never crossed that line if I remember.

    Also, maybe it’s because I’ve stopped watching mainstream TV for the most part and a mainly streaming these days but the laugh track seems antiquated. Time was I had the US cousins “send me” the new comedies each season and there were laugh tracks in all of those but it feels like something from a bygone era now.

    I’ve a feeling this may go the way of the Murohy Brown comeback a few years ago. I loved MB back in the day and was behind the new show all the way but even I had to admit time had moved on and it just wasn’t working. Better to remember the show as it was. I don’t think you can catch lightening in a bottle like that twice. The original was surprisingly great. Grammar is hitting the ground running to be fair but it’s expected as he’s playing the only returning character and he knows Frasier inside and out.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,839 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Have to say I found this a bit disappointing. I watched both Cheers and Frasier in the past year so I had high hopes for this. A lot of the acting felt like bad US sitcom hammy acting, particularly from the younger cast members.

    Frasier was a spinoff from Cheers and this feels like a spinoff from Frasier only the new characters don't really add anything. It feels like there's a lot missing and a lot of wasted potential given that none of the characters from either show have returned and they've had Frasier return to Boston. I know the Cheers set was taken down for Frasier but some sort of continuity would have been nice.

    I won't be cancelling my P+ subscription just yet as I'm watching the Mission: Impossible films. I don't have high hopes for this. Feels like a desperate attempt to resurrect an IP due to a lack of new ideas.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,019 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    It's probably a big ask to start a new series based on such a loved character but in reality even though Fasier was the title of the show he was more the middle man, the great supporting cast made it such a great show, the first couple of episodes they've tried to introduce a load of characters, probably too many too fast while also trying to capture the magic from the first.

    1. Freddie - total reset of this character from the genius child to fireman who wants to deny his father's existence. Martin from the original
    2. Housemate - can't even remember her name, she's trying to be the whimsy/cookey 1 but in reality she's a single mother who's boyfriend was killed in a fire. Probably the Daphne from the original.
    3. John - having a baby will always make for some setups, the Eddie of the show.
    4. Rodney - the sidekick, the academic equal but with a drink problem, trying a different type of Niles.
    5. Boss - putting her career first, probably Roz.
    6. Freddie's friends - probably the colleagues from the radio station
    7. Bars - the coffee shop

    I'll give it another few episodes but it's not going to be much more than just background noise for a while.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Let's be cynical here for a second in acknowledging that likely reason this show even exists at the moment is because the so-called "legacy sequel" series or film is still on trend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,640 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,019 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    They also own ALL the IP to it, Paramount is probably the weakest streaming service and need to get subscribers quick so will throw in for a lot of different shows in the hope of getting a winner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I agree on the claustrophobic feel. Which is funny considering Cheers was set entirely in the bar. I also feel there are too many characters. Which is also funny considering the broad and diverse set of characters in both Frasier and Cheers.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    You're not kidding: we have it purely for Star Trek, and yeah, there's Fúck All on that service worth watching. Unless one's big into Yellowstone I suppse.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,839 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It feels quite bare. In fairness, it is cheaper than Netflix but I'd rather have more and pay more if need be.

    I like that I can watch the MI films on it but once I get done with those, I'll probably cancel and get something else. Was great watching Cheers all the way through.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Netflix has the opposite problem these days IMO: am overwhelming firehose of output, about 10% of it watchable or memorable. Good luck finding the pearls among the muck!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    My recent forages into NetFlix have completely turned me off paying for it. I would say the 10% watchable is an optimistic figure.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,839 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'm actually shocked at how much dross there is on it.

    Regarding the Frasier reboot, it feels like an extended Family Guy cutaway ripping on sitcoms. I'm wondering if the new episode every week thing is to keep subscribers on the hook.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,085 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    I agree. Nexflix is fairly dire.

    I loved and love Frasier. I don't think I want to see this spin off judging by the comments here which I'm guess are very creditable.

    Way he'd cheers in the day and to have Frasier which was an even better show come out of it was probably never possible to repeat.

    Souch 'comefy' today is so contrived and I couldn't handle it🥴



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I do a full Frasier rewatch at least twice a year, and watch my favourite episodes randomly from time to time too. Curiosity got the best of me, and I watched the new one. If it doesn't improve, I'll just file it in with my least favourite episodes which I never watch and skip during rewatches.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Here's an interesting What IF: seems like the original idea before David Hyde Pierce said No was that Frasier & Niles would be running either a restaurant & small theatre; which does s ound exactly like something either them would do - with great comic potential in their natural snobbery coming up against the market

    As showrunners Joe Cristalli and Chris Harris tell it, getting David Hyde Pierce to reprise his role for the new Frasier was, of course, a priority. Discussions stretched out to solidify a narrative for the character — including one about a black-box theater, more on that in a bit — before Hyde Pierce decided there was nothing left to do with Niles. “He’s not the bad guy in this, and he was so lovely about it,” Cristalli says. Ultimately, his absence presented the duo with an opportunity to start a fresh story from scratch, which is layered on one main theme. “For both his professional world and personal relationships,” Harris explains, “it feels like it’s a time for Frasier to be giving back.”




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,839 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Interesting idea.

    I think it could have been cool to have a mixed Cheers/Frasier reboot with some of the characters from either show reflecting on things like getting older, the internet and so on.

    This just reminds of me of the fact that Seth MacFarlane wasn't supposed to be the lead in A Million Ways to die in the West. Paul Rudd turned it down. That didn't ruin the film in and of itself but it didn't augur well either.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    It sounds like an extension of the episode The Innkeepers, where Niles and Frasier run a restaurant and the place practically burns down on opening night. I think it would be a trope which would get old pretty quickly. That said, the "Odd couple" theme they have gone with could get old just as quickly.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I think if you wanted to keep the chemistry of the Cranes being these utterly out of touch snobs, and mine the comedy with a modern touch, then theatre or food would have been a good place to go. we've already seen movies rip into the nonsense culture of "cuisine" with things like Pig or The Menu.

    Interesting Hyde-Pierce felt there was nowhere else to go with Niles though; sounds like while the concept might have had potential, there was no new characterisation to tempt the actor back.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,640 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    If they were brining it back for a limited once off run of X episodes, I think it would have been a good concept for that.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,808 ✭✭✭squonk


    Restaurant or theatre is exactly where it needed to go. The are such snobs that it would be comedy gold. Also with a tgestre especially there is so much potential for external characters for a wise or even short arcs while a play is in town. It would things the fresh.

    Far point made that it night get old quickly but bit as quickly as the current setup will get old I reckon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,489 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I watched 2 episodes and I didn't laugh once.



  • Registered Users Posts: 555 ✭✭✭JeffreyEpspeen




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,839 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Would it, though? Like, you'd be taking an idea for an episode they actually made and extending it for a whole season or several seasons. I can see it getting very stale very quickly. That said, Kelsey and David back together would have been a significant improvement on what we actually got so there's that.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Such a performance is a journey of discovery. This brief rehearsal time that was given is - was far too short to reach...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,640 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You're not meant to laugh. It's a programme where renowned psychiatrist Dr. Frasier Crane of Harvard Medical School attempts to help people with their personal problems. Even the ones he has caused.

    Do you laugh at Dr Phil???

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭saabsaab




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,808 ✭✭✭squonk


    Far point. I don’t remember that episode and you’re very probably right but it would still be better than what we’re getting now For me, one of the really funny things about the original was Niles and Frasier tag teaming against what lore Brie stuff Martin wanted That or Niles and Frasier ratcheting each other up over different things I don’t see much oriented for that with the current setup



  • Registered Users Posts: 555 ✭✭✭JeffreyEpspeen


    DHP gets lots of plaudits for his physical acting but Grammer was good at that aul stuff as well; great at acting with his body.

    My favourite behind the scenes story is how Grammer would always arrive at filming out of his tits on drugs and alcohol and everyone would be like "oh no". Then the director would say action and he'd knock every single line out of the park with his first take.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Actually the theatre, yes, Sometimes in the weaker Frasier episodes, a call-in to the radio show could save the episode. The theatre setting allows scope for the bizarre and the beautiful "celebs to us", being absolutely hilarious.

    Now that that has been mentioned, Im even more disappointed, in that, is the characters we have been introduced to thus far, is that it?

    I think my favourite Frasier call in was John Lithgow, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK1jek2EggQ



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,489 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Do you laugh at Dr Phil???

    Yes, every time. Mostly cuz of that head on him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,640 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I read that John Lithgow was in the running for the part of Frasier Crane back in Cheers.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Couild have worked. I mostly know him as the Trinity Killer in Dexter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,640 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    He did comedy role on TV in Third Rock from the Sun... probably more scope in that role for his exuberant acting.

    He and Kelsey Grammer swept the best comedy actor awards at Emmys between 1994 - 99 with three wins each.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I know that. I just never got into 3rd Rock. He can clearly do comedy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,808 ✭✭✭squonk


    That John Lithgow call made me really laugh. It just proves the point really that an ok Woodside could be elevated by a 90 second hilarious clip like that. For a comedy that really knew its stuff back in the day, it’s terrible to see them fall blindly into the overused US sitcom trap of an apartment set, a work desk set and a bar/restaurant set that are used in each episode.

    Back in the day I enjoyed shows like Caroline In The City but even then it kind of stale because you only saw her living room and no matter who she was meeting for a date they always went to her local cafe. I see this version of Frasier falling into the same trap. The only way those limited set shows work is if one set is a vibrant place like a work area. They might get away with the bar but it seems like a place for Freddy and his friends.

    On thinking about this note I’m coming to the conclusion it’s nite about grabbing ratings and subscriptions and a pay check for KG than an earnest attempt to reboot the show. I think DHP declining to return all but says this and you have to respect him cheer turning down easy money when he could have just shown up on set and gone through the motions. The trouble is that audiences see through this now as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,149 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    some of you may enjoy this animated remake of "My Coffee with Niles"




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,761 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    S1E3 is out and it's hard not to enjoy seeing Kelsey Grammer on the screen. It's also a little hard to get into the new Frasier as enthusiastically as with the old, the quality of cast is variable and KG stands head and shoulders above the rest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,709 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Very much so, supporting cast doing nothing fir me, more an intrusion



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,532 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    Re-watched the 2nd episode last night and actually thought it stood up, if not even better, than first watch which was surprised about. Enjoy the mirroring of original series. Definitely some classic Frasier writing in there (the yak mattresses), and while the other new characters dont really appeal, im definitely lot more positive about it than before.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,839 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'll watch the third episode this evening.

    To be honest, the younger cast members' acting reminds me of Family Guy cutaways parodying US sitcoms.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭onrail


    It pains me to say, but two episodes in, I find this really...bad... And I loved the OG Frasier.

    As someone said above, it seems like a forgettable us sitcom with obvious jokes, hammed up acting and canned laughter that's too loud and intrusive.

    I'll keep going out of stubbornness, but little hope for improvement.



  • Registered Users Posts: 555 ✭✭✭JeffreyEpspeen


    I keep wondering how bad American actors <30 must be if British actors like the one playing adult Freddy keep glomming roles like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,808 ✭✭✭squonk


    Is the actor playing Freddy British? Wouldn’t have realised. Time was though that UK actors were cheap hence UK actors being the addies in a lot of 80s movies. Wonder if it’s still the case and it’s a move to keep costs in check rather than a reflection in the quality of similar US actors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭ Sophie Sweet Yearbook


    Supposedly the reviews/people in the live audience say it gets better from the 4th episode on


    Im wondering if the premise of the show was based on his Dr Crane TV show - a show within a show - wouldve it been better



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I was watching an old episode of Frasier the other night and realised there is a laughter track on it. Never noticed before, but only because the laughter track was mentioned on here in regard to the laughter track being too loud and intrusive, which I agree with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,709 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    Most comedy shows of that time (if not all) had a laughter track unless my memory is failing me - just checked some old Only Fools youtube clips, all had the laughter track but the comedy was so good you were also laughing. Alas Frasier has only made me smile so far

    10 Great TV Comedy Shows Made Worse By Laugh Tracks (screenrant.com) (Frasier is in the list)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I was just thinking, I probably didnt notice the laughter track because I was laughing at the same time. Even old Frasier episodes Ive watched a dozen times still make me laugh. As you say alas the new Frasier has at best only made me chuckle a couple of times. And when the laughter track is recorded with someone in the audince finding it hilarious its both grating and noticeable.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,839 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I.. enjoyed the third episode. At least more than the first two. I think the reason is that it's focused on the older cast members with the youngsters getting barely any screentime. Also, there's a cat. It's still giving off "Kelsey needs money for a swimming pool" vibes but this one's an improvement IMO. Sadly, I think the younger cast members are locked in so this may have been a blip.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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