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Cult of Stephen Kenny

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,709 ✭✭✭Allinall




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    You've quoted a post that literally tells you who it is lol.



  • Registered Users Posts: 555 ✭✭✭JeffreyEpspeen


    Ah. I see he's using us as leverage over England.



  • Registered Users Posts: 555 ✭✭✭JeffreyEpspeen


    I can't wait for Kenny to pump his fists and jump up and down and grab John O'Shea and pull him into a kiss when we get a last minute equaliser against New Zealand in the friendly next month courtesy of a Callum Robinson penalty after Mikey Johnston trips over his own feet in the 6 yard box.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,433 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Frustration. People are frustrated with him and loosing respect for him. I think comments here mostly are proportionate to the results his teams have gotten under him, their performances, his performances, In addition his basically muttering and stuttering bûllshit to the media after bad results…. Tony O’Donohue is just short of fûcking a microphone at his head, Kenny has the poor guy driven demented in post match interviews….the average viewer can’t be far off.

    with a record like he has with Ireland the decent and responsible thing would be for him now to go to the FAI and resign. We are not qualifying and it would be perfect to bring in a new manager and new team…now… be ready, practised and prepared to face the new campaign… without pressure…

    Kenny has had backing, opportunity and time… 3+ years, 2 campaigns…..if he was sacked tonight he or any supporters of his would have no reason to complain… the results and stats show his reign as a failure. The team is not trending upwards in terms of either performances or results…. It’s status quo, still crap a watch, still crap results, still failure, still going nowhere, fast.

    Who replaces him ? Why do his critics need to answer that ? Kenny has lost more games then he’s won as manager…there are no shortages of suitable and qualified candidates….



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  • Registered Users Posts: 555 ✭✭✭JeffreyEpspeen


    Podge and Rodge head on him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,435 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Name him in the next squad depending on paperwork. That will show is his intentions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,778 ✭✭✭Motivator


    I’m not a football manager, so I’m not in any way qualified to offer any ideas. My managerial experience is limited to an u-15 cup win a couple of years ago. I know this achievement puts me on a par with Stephen Kenny but I’m reluctant to offer my assistance to the FAI.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,778 ✭✭✭Motivator


    Asking supporters for their ideas as some sort of defence for the manager of the Irish national team is absolutely comical. Go back to bed for yourself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 555 ✭✭✭JeffreyEpspeen


    Will people stop saying Steve Bruce has Irish connections BTW. His mother was born to a proud Irish Protestant Unionist family. That's his Irish connections. They're about as strong as Alan Kernaghan or David Moyes.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,435 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Or Tony Cascarino. But that worked out for us.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,240 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack



    He's won the LOI five times, the FAI cup three times, the League Cup six times. He is one of the most successful Irish managers ever in terms of trophies. He got Dundalk into the group stages of European football and they were the first Irish team to pick up points at that stage. He's won Manager of the Year awards from the PFAI, Philips and RTE (the last two are chosen from managers in various sports, not just football).

    I know you'll come back running down the LOI but you really are an imbecile if you think winning an U-15 cup is the same (I'm aware you don't; but there's hyperbole and then there's just stupidity).

    You haven't a clue what you're on about. You're showing yourself up to be a clown. You can be unhappy about results and want a change but if you want to be taken seriously, get a grip and offer some mature commentary. If not, do us all a favour and go back under your bridge.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae




  • Registered Users Posts: 30,319 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    In some alternative universe where only domestic players can get picked for the national side, I'd love to see how Kenny could've gotten on with a LOI squad.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,435 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    And he has utterly failed as Ireland manager. He has done the one thing he shouldn't have done. Left the whole setup in a worse state than when he went in. That is true.



  • Registered Users Posts: 555 ✭✭✭JeffreyEpspeen


    Semantics aside, I'm arguing against the fact that some people use Bruce's tenuous connections to Ireland as proof of some emotional attachment to the country. There is none. Whatsoever.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,435 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Bruce will be coming in because he wants a part time job for decent money I'd assume. But guys like that don't like failure. He will be better than Keny but that's not really setting the bar too high.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I suppose you could say his son Alex was one of the few to play for both jurisdictions on NI and the ROI.


    Steve was even going to play under Big Jack in USA 94.

    But Alex Ferguson put a stop to Steve declaring for Ireland as in those days it would have meant that Steve Bruce would then be classed as a foreign player for European club football matches.


    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,240 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    He has failed and someone else should come to see if they can do better.

    It is interesting that players (you know, the ones who actually work with him and have to follow his instructions) are coming out speaking positively about him.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67129639

    It's also interesting that the players continue to play the way he asks them to. Clearly, they believe in him. There doesn't seem to be this 'losing the dressing room' or signs of players being unhappy and undermining him. Again, I can't remember stories of him falling out with players (though, I'm open to correction).

    He tried something that the players seem to have bought into but it hasn't worked out. Give someone else a go but this idea that players are going to be traumatised from his term and that he's set football back is nonsense. A positive from his legacy will be all the young players he brought through.

    He is a manager who earned his chance to get the top job but failed to make the most of it. I certainly don't buy that he was out of his depth. Too idealistic perhaps and not pragmatic enough and certainly the results are not good enough but I think people are going overboard in their criticism of him. Its not Staunton-level shambles.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,435 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    The players.....and I have addressed that before.

    The players are comfortable at the moment and don't want to upset the apple cart. They don't want anyone else coming in who will set higher standards and ask more of them. Apathy, indifference and excuse making is contagious in a sporting setup.

    There are serious question marks over the players mentality if they are happy to keep going like this for this manager with zero sign of results improving. That's a major issue.

    SK has presided over a spell that has resulted in serious damage to our chances of even making playoffs for years to come. We need a man to rebuild our ranking and to take the Nations League seriously.



  • Registered Users Posts: 621 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    The Irish Times today saying Lee Carsley is the FAI's preferred successor.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    You mean that he was not eligible to play for Ireland and it turned out to be a myth. Which Cascarino used to flog his autobiography. Under Irish law he was still entitled to an Irish passport even though he was adopted.


    The way I look at it with Ireland beggars can't be choosers. Ireland do not have much of a pool if any half decent players are available and want to declare for Ireland get them in. A country of Ireland's size cannot be turning up their nose at players. Hopefully a high profile manager after Stephen Kenny would help in such recruitment.

    --

    Anyway back to Kenny's tenure, if anyone has a glance at the amount of teams that is STILL in with some chance of qualifying for the Euros it is silly. It really shows up what a mess Stephen Kenny has made of things IMO.

    Jayus. Just to think now at the time of writing Ireland has beaten Gibraltar twice in the group. The only two wins. Shite in the Nations League, and STILL there is hope?

    And we had lads in the RTE studio wanting Doherty to celebrate like mad when he scored against Gibraltar making it 3-0 . It is like a flipping black comedy at this stage. I was half hoping they were taking the mick. But Shay Given and Stephen Kelly were dead serious!


    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭mada999


    You are right you can't compare this reign with the previous couple of manager.. the other Irish managers you are talking about had better players ffs.... i dont get all this "it will take years to recover from his reign" - what does this even mean ? Thanks to the FAI our whole system is broken.. other so called poorer nations have caught up...

    Kenny came in when the team was in serious transition..I doubt other managers would have made a huge improvement. The one silver lining is that he has blooded a lot of youth for the most part.

    All this talk about Ireland being minnows... we are these days look at the squad...But I also have to say the our central midfield options are very very poor



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    He has a worse record that Staunton. To say he wasnt out of his depth is not posting in good faith.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    How is it not worse than Staunton?

    Not even looking at the win rate, Kenny's is worse than Stan's

    One of the main arguments used for Kenny's tenure is that he 'blooded players'. At the time of writing I believe the number is around 20.

    But Steve Staunton 'blooded' 24 players - in a much shorter tenure than Kenny by the way.

    Of those 'hits' a large proportion 10/11 were kept on my subsequent managers after Staunton. Stephen Ireland for his own odd reasons opted out.

    Such as the following players - Paul McShane, Anthony Stokes, St Ledger, Shane Long, Kevin Doyle, Stephen Ireland, Stephen Hunt, Stephen Kelly,  Daryl Murphy and Andy Keogh, Darron Gibson.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,240 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Staunton had a better squad and hadn't a clue what he was doing.

    Kenny has an idea and a plan but his execution is lacking and he's been too stubborn. I don't think he's out of his depth. He came into the job with bags more experience than Staunton did.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    I genuinely don't think Kenny had a clue what he was doing. The experience was at a much lower level. I'd put his management experience on par with Stauntons actual playing experience to be honest. Like Stauntons appointment made more sense beforehand than Kenny's did.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,240 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    I've talked about Staunton above but when it comes to players: How do you reckon those players from the Staunton era would stack up against the players Kenny is working with?

    Their level was mostly lower PL/upper Champ at the time. Kenny's latest squad is mostly Championship, some lower PL. Staunton still had Robbie Keane, Damien Duff, Shay Given, to name a few.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    The fact that we are even discussing Staunton shows you just how poor a job Kenny has done. It's shocking to me because it was basically clear from day one.



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