Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Israel have lied in the past about not being responsible for killing civilians. You probably won’t admit it but they have. We should be sceptical of their denials rather than immediately last night believing it wasn't them. However I am leaning now towards the possibility that the IDF is actually telling the truth on this one, because for 500 people to have died you would expect to see videos of the hospital building being levelled or at least severely damaged. As I said previously even if Israel came up with 100 percent proof it was not them who bombed the hospital, alot of people in the Arab world would say it was all fabricated.

https://x.com/JamesCleverly/status/1714573399635140798?s=20

Lol, you can mention me by name.

https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1714543625068040232?s=20

This quote from the wire comes to mind with regards all the claims and counter claims going on:

"I mean, ****, it's what war is, you know? Once you in it, you in it. If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie. But we gotta fight."

Facts don't matter at this stage people will belief what they want to justify whatever they want.

You wonder why Gazans haven't formed a political platform in which to do this? Fear of Hamas would be the obvious answer

It's well documented that Hamas regularly kidnaps tortures and murders Gazans, they are a terrorist organisation and people on boards believe everything that hamas says as true ,it like coming out and saying Isis said that they didn't kill anyone in the middle east ,it's all a neocon conspiracy against Islam

The most important thing here is not the casualties; it is establishing that the other side is responsible

The IDF also do this though. So why do you defend/believe them?

A good thread that backs up what people are saying about this strike, that it was not consistent with an IDF strike.

https://x.com/Nrg8000/status/1714535497958334678?s=20

Israel have previously inflicted mass casualties on innocent civilians in the name of targeting terrorists, when to do so would reflect negatively on them and give Hamas a propaganda "win", which is why people could readily believe they bombed the hospital. They also have previous for denying incidents for which they are responsible for which means their credibility is somewhat questionable.

Now the photos shared of this incident are not at all consistent with an event that would have resulted in 500+ deaths unless there were 25 people in each car. To me there are a number of possibilities.

1. It was an Israeli strike and the photos shown do not show the extent of the damage
2. It was a much smaller impact from the Israeli side and Hamas as exaggerating the death toll for propaganda purposes
3. It was an errant Islamic Jihad rocket anfd Hamas are blaming Israel and exaggerating the death toll for propaganda purposes
4. It was fully staged by Hamas for propaganda purposes.

I would put little credibility in statements from both sides and will wait for independent confirmation.

Play the victim card? They are victims in all of this. Pawns of Hamas and given little thought in Israel’s retaliation policy. Expecting them to solve the crisis almost sounds like victim blaming.

Israel and the IDF are the ones with real choice at this point, and the choices they have made make it very unlikely for ordinary Palestinians to consider them allies.

It's not just the IDF,

At this moment in time it's.

Sky News

BBC

OSINT

POTUS

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along with many others.

Oh totally and a number of us said that last night - there’s people here not interested in discussion or the truth or facts, only score keeping and mud slinging , mostly at the Israelis - as much as that country deserves criticism for where we find ourselves today after all these years, I don’t see any of those people U turning and saying how terrible Hamas or whoever fired this weapon are -and you’ll never see that happening - they’ll just dump more whataboutery in the thread .