Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

The IDF, much like the Russian military , will always say we don't target civilians in any of these strikes. The inconsistency is automatically choosing to believe the IDF, but outright dismiss the Russians. This is despite the IDF having a history of lying about killing civilians. That is irrelevant to some because it suits their stance in support of Israel no matter what, but it would be very relevant if it was the side they oppose. You'd never them say the following: look I know the Russians have lied in the past, but let's still give them the benefit of the doubt here over this bombing that killed civilians. They would not say in defense of Russia, previous examples of Russia lying is not fact they were guilty of hitting this market deliberately. Their mind would be made up. And if there was incontrovertible proof of them hitting a UN School or market, furthermore you wouldn't hear them say in defense of Russia the Ukranians were hiding personnel or equipment in the building or near to it to try and justify the attack. Yet this is exactly the playbook of the Russian military. It's never their fault. Anyone who isn't one eyed about what is going on can surely see the inconsistency.

You could argue that Hamas will also “deny and fabricate” - it works both ways you know.

I agree that out and out neo-Nazis and white supremacists hate Jewish people, but 'right wing populists' like GB News, Farage, Braverman, the Daily Telegraph etc love the Netanyahu regime and have no time for the Palestinians.

Touché @facehugger99 plenty pro Istael on here to promote their ( Israel/ IDF ) lies, heinous war crimes and massacre of innocent civilians.

THEY ARE A DISGRACE TO HUMANITY

On the Hospital attack.

Nobody knows yet what the truth is. But there are questions related to both arguments.

It could be one of 4 possible answers, each with their own problems:

1. A Hamas rocket, which misfired. Problem: Explosion is much too large for a 50kg to 70kg warhead. Plus the sound of the approaching warhead indicated something with more mass and travelling supersonic.

2. A new HAMAS rocket, with more propellant and more mass, that misfired and exploded but did not detonate. Problem: if Hamas has developed such a weapon, why had it not been used up to now?

3. A Joint Direct Attack Munition ( JDAM). At 500lb, the weapon would create both the characteristic whistle prior to impact and the large explosion. Israel recieved a delivery of these from the US earlier this week, and also had some in storage. Problem: the explosion did not appear to have the kinetic energy associated with a 500lb bomb. Where is the crater? Did the bomb malfunction and not explode? If it was fitted with an air-burst or proximity fuse, why did it not kick up the soil?

4. A LORA munition. These ballistic long range surface to surface weapons have been recently developed by Israel and were used only weeks ago by Azerbaijan, as they bought some from Israel. Again, they have exactly the same aural and fireball characteristics as the weapon shown in the footage, but again, where did the expected kinetic energy dissipate to?

One other important point to note. It would be important to find out if there were any Israeli fighter jets in the area on a trajectory that would possibly suggest that they were in the correct vector to release such a weapon. However, it would be just as important, and easy, to prove if any jets, weapons or missiles WERE NOT present during the incident. If that were the case and Israel showed us this evidence, then that's it, case closed. But, how can they produce such Important evidence?

Two words: Arleigh Burke. There are currently 4 Arleigh Burke missile destroyers sitting off the Coast of Gaza as part of the recently arrived carrier group. These ships are designed to track and monitor multiple aerial targets as small as both a Hamas rocket or JDAM. Due to the geographical location of the blast, and the relatively low activity in the airspace, it would be very easy for Israel to "pull the tapes" of the airspace over and around the area in question at the time of the attack. The information is absolutely there, and recorded. So why not show it in order to definitively prove that it was a Hamas missile, not an Israeli missile that hit the hospital.

Too much innocence in this post. The bottom line is - Israeli government wants the Palestinians out of Gaza so they can plant their own people there.

The concert attack was the perfect pretext for the opportunistic Netenyahoo. The Kibbutz dwellers are too liberal for him and were the cause of him not being voted in last time. You can't bake a cake without cracking a few Kibbutz eggs is his attitude.

Actually, it's often not

But don't let that stand in your way.

Israel are more than capable of creating their own small yield guided bombs.

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I'd agree though, there should be evidence of aircraft in the area or by other monitoring released.

I agree with all the above - however Palestinians have the right to exist. Palestinians do not equal Hamas. These questions require a simple yes or no.

Are Israel right to withhold food, water, humanitarian aid from innocent Palestinian people.

Do you believe under the right the return that Israelis are entitles to walk into a Palestinian home, and its now theirs.

Do you believe that Israel are entitled to oppress innocent Palestinians.