Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

On the Hospital attack.

Nobody knows yet what the truth is. But there are questions related to both arguments.

It could be one of 4 possible answers, each with their own problems:

1. A Hamas rocket, which misfired. Problem: Explosion is much too large for a 50kg to 70kg warhead. Plus the sound of the approaching warhead indicated something with more mass and travelling supersonic.

2. A new HAMAS rocket, with more propellant and more mass, that misfired and exploded but did not detonate. Problem: if Hamas has developed such a weapon, why had it not been used up to now?

3. A Joint Direct Attack Munition ( JDAM). At 500lb, the weapon would create both the characteristic whistle prior to impact and the large explosion. Israel recieved a delivery of these from the US earlier this week, and also had some in storage. Problem: the explosion did not appear to have the kinetic energy associated with a 500lb bomb. Where is the crater? Did the bomb malfunction and not explode? If it was fitted with an air-burst or proximity fuse, why did it not kick up the soil?

4. A LORA munition. These ballistic long range surface to surface weapons have been recently developed by Israel and were used only weeks ago by Azerbaijan, as they bought some from Israel. Again, they have exactly the same aural and fireball characteristics as the weapon shown in the footage, but again, where did the expected kinetic energy dissipate to?

One other important point to note. It would be important to find out if there were any Israeli fighter jets in the area on a trajectory that would possibly suggest that they were in the correct vector to release such a weapon. However, it would be just as important, and easy, to prove if any jets, weapons or missiles WERE NOT present during the incident. If that were the case and Israel showed us this evidence, then that's it, case closed. But, how can they produce such Important evidence?

Two words: Arleigh Burke. There are currently 4 Arleigh Burke missile destroyers sitting off the Coast of Gaza as part of the recently arrived carrier group. These ships are designed to track and monitor multiple aerial targets as small as both a Hamas rocket or JDAM. Due to the geographical location of the blast, and the relatively low activity in the airspace, it would be very easy for Israel to "pull the tapes" of the airspace over and around the area in question at the time of the attack. The information is absolutely there, and recorded. So why not show it in order to definitively prove that it was a Hamas missile, not an Israeli missile that hit the hospital.

Too much innocence in this post. The bottom line is - Israeli government wants the Palestinians out of Gaza so they can plant their own people there.

The concert attack was the perfect pretext for the opportunistic Netenyahoo. The Kibbutz dwellers are too liberal for him and were the cause of him not being voted in last time. You can't bake a cake without cracking a few Kibbutz eggs is his attitude.

Actually, it's often not

But don't let that stand in your way.

Israel are more than capable of creating their own small yield guided bombs.

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I'd agree though, there should be evidence of aircraft in the area or by other monitoring released.

I agree with all the above - however Palestinians have the right to exist. Palestinians do not equal Hamas. These questions require a simple yes or no.

Are Israel right to withhold food, water, humanitarian aid from innocent Palestinian people.

Do you believe under the right the return that Israelis are entitles to walk into a Palestinian home, and its now theirs.

Do you believe that Israel are entitled to oppress innocent Palestinians.

The fact that the US secret service are happy to let Biden into Tel Aviv is a sure indicator of the current threat levels. Yet we are told that Hamas are unleashing a barrage of rockets towards Tel Aviv? Please...

Ya that's right. And that last flash from rocket high up about a second or two before hospital explosion is seen on other videos also.

Do Israel use anything at all that they can fire from planes to take out rockets in the sky. Just wondering if that rocket that seemed to explode in the air was hit with something and hospital also hit by accident at same time by something trying to take out rockets.

If it wasn't, then most likely to be falling debris from PIJ rocket, or possibly but unlikely that IDF fired something at exactly same time that completely missed target or failed.

@boetstark the world is not going to assure Israel of anything in that regard simply because no one knows....

one attack like they experienced on Saturday last does not IN ANY WAY excuse their current deplorable killings.

I'm pretty sure they are much more likely to be on the receiving end of attacks in future after their ongoing massacre in Gaza of innocent women, children, families and their displacement of over 1MN+ citizens. Also their inhumane cutting off of vital power water supplies.

No sympathy whatsoever for them they are shameless bullies who stop at nothing just to protect themselves. They are full of REVENGE and nothing good will ever come of that.

Idealogical... and would not stop Israel treatment of Palestinians, and land grabbing.... Never mind 1.1m of them have been trying to evacuate amongst 6,000 bombs dropping on them, and busy trying to rescue people.

Also please read the article I linked. It actually discusses what happened the last time Palestinian rose up in peaceful protest. For context.

Looking like it was not Israel who bombed the hospital, I was wrong, and unlike other people, I love being wrong, every time I'm wrong I learn.

There will always be Irish people who will never be seen to not condemn Israel, no matter what Palestinians do