Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

It makes me laugh/ cry the discussion on this thread debating whose fault was the hospital attack.

The entire crisis in Gaza has been caused by Israel & their incessant bombing, their displacement of families women kids, the cramming of 1.1Mn people into tight unsafe zones, the cutting off of vital supplies water food medicine. That amount would not have been near the hospital without their activities in preceeding days Either way they are fully to blame...imho!

Whether or not they deliberately attacked the hospital ( I certainly believe they did) they are ultimately the root cause here.

Disgusting that US EU UK politicians have taken their sloppy lies as credible I certainly wouldn't buy that crap from them. Apart from that what they are doing to actively stop any aid getting into Gaza is completely INHUMANE

Source on the lads that launched the rockets.

The Israelis have bombed Palistinians countless times in the past and blamed "terrorist misfires". They've worn this excuse to death and have left it to the ignorant to spread the lies online.

Zionist money in American politics is something seriously overlooked in these threads in regard to America's pro Israel attitude, I say that too as someone who isn't exactly anti Israel.

It's all about the thing in the sky isn't it ? Something flashes and boom a second later while missiles are all heading east. The flash in the sky came from the sea zone.

Interesting

What hold do Hamas have over the people and is there anybody or group that would get out to protest ?.We had similar questions as to why Russian people were not out protesting .There is blame on both sides but ultimately there has to some settlement. if Hamas could be stood down that could be a start but that looks very remote at this point .Also if Israel would stop electing hawks into power that might help as well . Very depressing watching this unfold .

I suppose that age and personal situation effects your thoughts on any particular subject.

As a recent grandad to two beautiful little babies my heart bleeds for those who are caught up in this ongoing horror.

Round the clock pictures of terrified parents running screaming to bomb shelters or hospitals , carrying those tiny precious infants or bundles of bloodied blankets that once were living flesh and blood is absolutely horrifying.

We can of course all go online and give our tuppence worth on the rights and wrongs of those involved in the slaughter, who started it , who deserves punishment, who should be rained upon with more bombs and bullets .

Before shouting for more slaughter or revenge just think of the youngest most precious relation you have and imagine that tiny innocent child thrust into the current hell hole.

I just wish there was someone out there with the moral authority that could shout STOP.

FT reporting that US Defence Dept. is saying it was a Hamas rocket.

Israel saying the rocket was launched from the cemetary near the hospital and crashed into the adjacent car park.

FT reporting IDF has released mobile phone audio of Hamas operatives acknowledging the failed rocket launch.

Still early days but initial evidence points to the people building and firing thousands of home-made rockets from civilian areas. Looks like it is still a 'win' for Hamas as so many people have chosen to believe it was Israel anyway. The death cult of Hamas seems happy so sacrifice any lives to further its aims.

I don't get stuff like this. If they are blaming Islamic Jihad, what have Hamas got to do with it? Aren't they different groups?

Doesn't matter what the truth is now, it's too late. Many people believe that Israel bombed and destroyed a hospital and killed hundreds of people. Further atrocities will be committed on the back of this lie

If the propellant casing bursts a rocket can go anywhere I'd have thought.(even backwards -I think we have seen boomerang rockets in Ukraine)

If this was an IJ rocket then Hamas is still responsible as it is nominally the local government in Gaza and has a duty of care to "its" people.

Of course with no elections in recent years ,how is it different from any dictatorship? (answer ,well it is also a religious cult)