Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

How is it domestic? Israel has abolished all responsibility towards Gaza. It has denoted that the Gazan people have elected a terrorist organization, Hamas, as it's de-facto rulers, so that is a foreign regime. This is how Israel is justifying it's airstrike bombing campaign against Hamas, Yes? Hamas is being denoted as a foreign terrorist regime. That is Mossad's responsibility.

How many bomb scenes have you seen in person in your lifetime?

Bbc report seems to agree with this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67147059

The world as you say can do f@@k all about it. Its really in the hands of the Palestinian people. Until they get rid of Hamas, Islamic Jihadist's, Hezbollah etc the world can do nothing.

You cannot let Israel, Egypt and Jordon allow uncontrolled access in and out of the West Bank and Gaza because weapons and munitions will flow in and terrorists will flow out to spread death and destruction.

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I think its a bit weird to blame the victim of an attack for the attack and subsequent events.

I think there's a bit of the straw that broke the camel back for both sides. Both sides had enough of the other.

Aye but apparently to some it's not true because there isn't enough blood in the area. I remember the Coshquin bomb, was a couple of miles away in Slievemore at my cousins.

The devastation a blast like that causes, it's not just shrapnel that kills but the sheer concussive force of an explosion.

If there were 1000 people in the immediate area, including a lot of children and elderly then it's well within the realms of possibility an explosion that was able to leave an impact crater would kill a large number.

Regardless of the source of this explosion, it's horrible to think these people just wanted safety and shelter and then gone in a flash.

According to.....

When are people going to learn

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@circadian but apparently to some it's not true because there isn't enough blood in the area. I remember the Coshquin bomb, was a couple of miles away in Slievemore at my cousins.

The devastation a blast like that causes, it's not just shrapnel that kills but the sheer concussive force of an explosion.

But when 500 people get blown up in a very small Area the devastation is huge there would be Bodies,arms,legs and heads all over the place the amount of blood would be unbelievable,we seen the amount of blood from a few victims of last weeks terrorist attack,now multiply that blood from hundreds of dead not including the claims of hundreds injured,

I still think people still believe everything that comes out of Hamas mouths including the doctors who paraded dead bodies in a Press conference last night as part of the propaganda

Plenty of bodies here.

You're getting into crisis actor territory yet claim you're the only one on here with a "calm head". Unreal.

I agree. People like to act like the Gaza blockade came solely from a cruel place and will to destroy Gaza but it was a pure reaction to Hamas coming to power. Israel had no appetite at the time to militarily remove Hamas and all the bloodshed that would entail, so a blockade it was. And, the blockade was enforced equally by Eygpt, who felt the exact same.

It wasn't credible to suggest that Gaza should have just been left alone with open borders under the control of Hamas, a Jihadi, ISIS-style organisation. An organisation that was elected by the people of Palestine, it must be said. Yes, I understand the arguments in that the people were sick of the status quo and wanted change amid desperation, I think everyone understands that.

But electing a Jihadi, fundementalist organisation to lead your side is going to yield a certain result, inevitably, that won't be acceptable to any surrounding nation. The Hamas Charter at the time was to wipe Israel off the map and purge every jew from historical Palestine.

It would be like the people of Iraq democratically electing ISIS as their Government. There's a reason the West Bank is relatively stable compared to Gaza, because the PA controls that to a certain degree and is a far more moderate organisation.

It's just not realistic that Gaza wasn't going to be blockaded. It was either a total blockade or a bloody war. Israel chose the blockade. Was that right? I don't think there's any clear answer but it's not an illogical response.

In the longer term, it's led to more misery and suffering but can hardly blame Israel for not wanting to immediately launch a military conquest of Gaza after literally just withdrawing from the place.

That civilians are dying on any side is not black and white. It's just black, it's wrong, it's not acceptable. Ditto, Israel blockading the essentials of life isn't acceptable. But the wider context is not black and white. War is ugly, it's unfair, it's disgusting, no matter what side you're on.

I would hope that arising from the ashes of this latest escalation will be a sincere, renewed effort to address the future of Palestine, now that the spotlight of the world is upon it. Unfortunately that isn't going to happen if Hamas retain a grip on Gaza.

They made a roll of the dice that by butchering Israeli civilians and drawing a hellfire response that it would galvanise a major response from outside its own borders. Unfortunately I think neighbouring Arab countries want no part of it at a state level. They'll play the part, denouncing, demanding, but ultimately they don't want to take in Palestinians.

So where does anyone go from here. It's a rubix cube with 500 faces. I hope Israel has the sense to come to the table after reaching whatever goals they have set in response to what happened a fortnight ago. It's not about yesterday or today, it's about the future, generations on both sides.

The people of Israel, in the main, want to live a peaceful life. The people of Palestine are no different, and they deserve not just a peaceful life but a peaceful life within a secure state. Both deserve that, in equal measure. Talk of Israel's founding 70 years ago are totally redundant. The country is here. It's not going anywhere. Both sides have to come to the table and get real about the future, be it tomorrow or 10 years from now.

Seeing the news around this farce along with some of the reaction online makes you wonder are we in some kind of twilight zone.

One question I had this morning was that if there was such a perilous situation in Israel, there is no way Joe Biden would go to Tel Aviv. Not a chance.

Then sure enough, on Biden's departure, RTE news this evening: "Rocket fire into Israel resumed soon after Biden's departure"

Do people actually believe that terrorists are firing off a barrage of rockets into Israel?? Complete and utter nonsense. They then have the nerve to say that the "Iron Dome" is blocking them from doing any damage. How people are swallowing this is the real mystery.