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Has Paddy Cosgrave overstepped the mark?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    Entitled Hubristic Techie Gobshite with lotsa money makes ill-advised comments. Shocker! Portugal can keep him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,061 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Didn't know that, just thought that old saw fitted this story!

    Yeah that could be true (the former anyway - surely such people will know it is not the UK!). If a person or a company from the US that is actually doing business here is completely ignorant of the Irish govt./state policy etc. and does not know or could not give a monkies about their position on Israel/Palestine issues etc., they likely won't want one of of people they deal with in Ireland giving them a lecture on the rights and wrongs of the ME situation + Israeli or US sins either!



  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭72sheep


    No, he hasn't. He simply expressed an opinion held by diverse groups all over the world. As Matt correctly says, he was cancelled by a reactionary corporate America that is reeling from the realisation they can no longer presume to be the world's police! Paddy will emerge from this vindicated.

    https://twitter.com/cooper_m/status/1715754901614075986



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,428 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Ireland is small fry when it comes to their world. I'm not surprised at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭72sheep


    Not necessarily related but the third Collison brother converted to Judaism a few years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,503 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    I don't like Paddy Cosgrave , I think he's a dickhead and so you'd think I should have a degree of glee over this but what has happened to him in this instance is very worrying and is a prime example of corporate censorship.

    Basically nobody can say a critical word about Israel now (and I'm not one of those people that has Israel as public enemy number 1 like a lot of people are. i.e those people who only seem to highlight Israels flaws but are very quiet when it comes to China) or you put yourself and your business at serious risk, this is essentially fascism at work, big business all align with each other and the American government and EU to shut down dissenting opinions.

    It's disgraceful what has happened to him.

    Post edited by Jack Daw on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,148 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Possibly vindicated on this issue and being a SF puppet (not because of him but because SF might win election) but not the rest; not vindicated for sucking upto Russia or Qatar; not vindicated for being an unsufferably smug arsehole who thinks he knows better than most of Ireland. He even took a landlord to court recently and lost.


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Mullaghteelin


    This is obviously of huge importance to an Irish person, if not THE most important thing that differentiates us from the British. We are independent, seperate from them. That is our national narrative.

    But think about how irrelevant that is to anyone else...

    We are just one of those funny little places beside England who speak English and have some sort of historical connection with England, but get very annoyed if you call them English.

    Just like the Scottish and Welsh.

    It is unreasonable to expect everyone else in the world to know or care what our history is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 749 ✭✭✭tjhook


    People have been getting cancelled for many years now for having the wrong opinions. Phrases like "freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences". On the one hand it's amusing to see that what goes around comes around.

    But the big picture is that cancel culture is little more than mob rule, no matter who it is targeting. Having said that, the leader of a commercial organisation should be smart enough to think twice before jumping into the middle of a contentious political issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,505 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Actions in your private life have always carried a potential risk to your employment and rightfully so.

    I agree with what he said but I also agree with him getting sacked as a consequence.

    Go figure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭yagan


    I even met Aussies who talked of their Irish ancestors being surprised that the english monarch is not our head of state, like in Oz.

    I don't think we understand how that ambiguity has been convenient.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,503 ✭✭✭Jack Daw



    The issue is that this has a chilling effect on everyone and having so ridiculous an over reaction to a not outlandish opinion (in this instance) means people who question what mainstream media, politicians and big business want us to think never get a chance to express their opinions freely in those institutions for fear of getting cancelled and this just results in a repetition of the same old ideas and opinions in the mainstream over and over again and the same problems not being resolved ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    While I agree with him, I don't feel any particular sympathy for him. Should have lost the role after all his COVID scaremongering and rumour spreading tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,503 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Anyone who converts from one religion from another is not to be trusted and the sign of a fanatic.It means they'll believe any old nonsense. I can understand being religious because you were born into it and grew up with it and don't know any better but converting as an adult to a religion is just bizarre behavior.

    BTW for fear of being accused of being Anti-Semitic I feel exactly the same about people who become born again Christians or convert to Islam.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    You can agree with his point and still take great pleasure in seeing the downfall of one of the greatest dickheads that Ireland has ever produced. It’s always nice to see a bully get his comeuppance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭yagan


    Most of the anglosphere were conflicted about how to react to Covid, so his batshittery was lost in the deluge like the then leader of the free world talking about sticking lightbulbs up arses as a covid cure.

    Israel on the other hand is the US's special child who can do no wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭yagan


    I think most of this thread know that, but in retrospect in the online anglosphere it was only one thousands such shitposts at that time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Eh, it created considerable fear and he was incredibly prominent. He then went on This Morning on rte this year and asserted the tweet was true. So nah, he definitely doesn't deserve some pass for his behaviour over the last few years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭yagan


    Where did I say it didn't?

    Where did I say it wasn't bat shíte crazy?

    Come on, tell me where you imagine I might putting some positive slant on it because I can't see what the point of your responses are?

    Saying that his nonsense was part of a tsunami of wacko doesn't dilute it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Apologies, genuinely misread it as downplaying it. Sorry, bad morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭yagan


    It is weird to find myself in agreement with him on Palestine, but in every other instance the guy is a self centred Ahole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Yep, I think it's a stopped clock scenario. And I'm honestly doubtful of how much he believes in anything he says.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2 RocketPlan


    It is so sad to watch the fall of Ireland's Tech Visionary Genius. There are days when I cry over the fact that I don't have an Orts or B.E.S.S. degree from Trinity but then I realise that some people are just my betters.

    Ha Fu'kin' Ha!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    I wish we could see more of this online. I’m as guilty as anybody of not admitting when I’m wrong. Well done.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    As a citizen, I am a little concerned about where these commercial cancellations are headed. You can be sure Xi and other tyrants are watching this closely to figure out how far they can go with such a tactic to silence criticism of their regimes abroad. As a worker, though, I can’t believe how reckless Cosgrave was, just wading into such a controversial area at a horribly inopportune time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭yagan


    I reckon Israeli lobby will be out to trash us too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,366 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Paddy Cosgrave is a social media bully. If you disagreed with him he posted some horrible sh!t. He has put up absolute drivel about the government

    Allison O Connor was on the BOC show this morning and mentioned this tweet below. It was not the first time he tweeted about her either.

    he is just another rich man who thinks he is entitled to pontificate to us and we are not allowed to disagree. He is the same as Donald Trump, Elon Musk, Bono etc.

    As a citizen I am delighted he was cancelled. The only people I feel sorry for are the employees of the web summit

    F@@k him he deserved it

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,511 ✭✭✭Augme



    Personally, I find it a bit frightening that people think a sovereign nation should be subservient to multinational corporotions.


    Ireland should not make political decisions based on the desires and demands of Intel, Google etc al.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.

    Bye bye Paddy

    A salient lesson in what happens when student union politics meets the real world.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Paddy Is clearly a dick and he was right to resign. I can't argue with the message but there is a time and a place. It was a stupid move.

    I would like to know why the companies actually pulled out of Web Summit. What exactly were their reasons? Did they provide any?

    I know the Israel lobby in USA is powerful but were they told to pull out?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I would say his social media antics have more in common with Musk. He's just a lot smaller fry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭yagan


    I always thought of the web summit as a fossil of the 2000s, the internet being the meeting place now.

    Paddys tweet probably had a lot of CEO's asking "wtf are we still sending people to this dinosaur of the noughties?"

    It was probably intransigence that had them not cancel sooner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,262 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Why was there so much of a gap between the comments and all the companies starting to pull out?

    Now that the guy is gone won’t they just come back? A lot of people going to lose jobs if they don’t and that will make those companies look bad.

    I’m all for free speech but in the real world you don’t have it.

    Is the problem that he said something against Israel or that he said anything at all? Because it is bit hypocritical of these companies to support Israel in the first place.

    Sorry, how foolish of me. They are Americans… so yes, hypocrites.



  • Posts: 0 Koda Broad Timer


    Alas indeed, Free Speech barely exists in the real world , there’s consequences to it. I disagree with many things Paddy says, but I defend his right to speak out where he sees fit. Politics & commerce is heavily intertwined, and Jews happen to have a ginormous diaspora so by virtue of plain mathematics do hold a lot of power in the world. Speak against at your peril. Ireland too has a diaspora that punches above the weight of our Irish population here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,006 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    The Israel lobby can be very dangerous. A good Irish friend of mine who is well known in the tech world, has gotten so much abuse because he dared stand up for children in Gaza and call for a ceasefire.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭JVince


    The issue is he refused to condemn the murder of hundreds of innocent young people at a music festival by Hamas.

    They topped this up by a few hundred murdering men, women and children in the same area.

    Many Palestinian cheerleaders such as Cosgrave seem to want to ignore this.



    Only when he realised it was costing him millions, did he make a bad attempt at an apology.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    Most oppressed CEO ever.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,714 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Looks like Dave Chappelle has gone and done a paddy now as well.

    Only one opinion allowed in America.



  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭mode1990


    He never questioned Israel ! He's been using his soap box to advocate his own opinions most of which were directed at FG/FF and Dublin Hospitality ! Which most attendees & contributor couldn't care less about ! But canyon mouth cosgrave thought he could rattle off his own personal beliefs since after all he was CEO , and hopefully that's the last we hear from him !



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  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭mode1990


    100% , our government is an outlier to the rest of Europe , and associating our historical struggle for independence with that of the Palestinians is just left wing propaganda ! Many Irish nationalists supported the creation of Israel ! Not forgetting the many Jews who were denied landing at Irish ports ! For Boyd Barrett & co. remember Margaret Fitzsimmons a Dalkey native whose throat was cut and limbs cut off , while doing humanitarian work in Iraq ! Had Israels "neighbours " not tried to wipe it off the face of the earth it would be only a quarter of the size it is today !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,644 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    The cause of Irish independence was a lot less hopeless than the Palestinian cause. DeValera was able to go to America as an escaped felon ( unperturbed) and raise money for Irish independence and Sinn Fein and the IRA had many friends in America during the troubles much later . It is completely disingenuous to equate the Palestinian cause with Irish independence. They have nothing like the soft/ hard power that nationalists in the north had behind them. Their situation ( while very much rhyming in sympathy with ourselves ) is completely hopeless in my opinion. They don’t even have any solid Arab/ Muslim allies. Egypt had to think about opening its borders. Syria has its own problems. Jordan , Lebanon are woefully weak players in comparison to Israeli allies . The Iranians will drop them like a hot snot with the slightest concession. And encouraging them to keep the struggle going is only causing more death and destruction. The goals of hamas is completely unrealistic and a death wish. Irish people can take a position and virtue signal their support for freedom from oppression but it’s all hot air and meaningless to changing anything on the ground. And as soon as the next big thing happens it will be on to that. And Palestine will be forgotten again.

    Post edited by 20silkcut on


  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭mode1990


    I wasn't equating irish independence with Palestine, I was pointing out that it was the left in this country trying to Stoke up support for Hamas using our history as a justification for supporting and legitimising their barbaric activities !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,644 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Wasn’t taking you to task in particular just highlighting the folly of equating the Palestinian to the Irish struggle. Yes Hamas are a murder machine totally devoid of any pragmatism .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,217 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I see Gillian Anderson has put up a clarifying tweet...


    I don’t want there to be any misinterpretation - so let me be clear.

    ALL lives are valuable. No one life is more or less valuable than another. (1/2)

    We must speak up to demand the protection of all innocent civilian lives and we must speak out against terrorism.

    The two are not mutually exclusive.

    (2/2)

    With a lot of people in the replies quoting Paddy Cosgrave back at her

    https://twitter.com/GillianA/status/1716158891384275408



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    Absolute horseshit, he condemned murder of all civilians on both sides.

    Its the fact he didn’t say just Israelis and **** Gaza, that’s the issue for the tech companies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭JVince


    I suggest you check his precise words.


    He EVENTUALLY condemned killings on both sides when he realised the amount of money he was losing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,844 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    Oul Paddy has said worse things in the past.

    I think this was an escape route seen by Tech companies to not attend the web summit. (Something they've wanted to do for a while now)

    Web Summit is basically start ups paying top dollar to speak to venture capital and CEO's of big tech companies. It's just marketing and nothing ever happens at it.

    He's made his few bob, he'll be ok. I'd say his 300+ staff are goosed though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,331 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Ireland have put themselves in a situation where we depend on them



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,366 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    And we had to accept a two state solution/ partition, as did India/Pakistan/Bangladesh. We had politicians that accepted that while not our preferred option we had to accept it

    The problem for Palestinians has always been the refusal to accept the two state solution. Even lok at some of there supporters cry ''Palestinian will be free from the border to the sea'' which equates to the elimination of Israel. This is what Paddy Cosgrave and many more like him think the solution should be.

    His remarks about Allison O'Connor calling her a partitionist, anti-intellectual and a gombeem showed exactly where he stands on people disagreeing with him but also that he accepts terrorism as a legitimate form of violence

    Slava Ukrainii



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