Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

You lied about the Interpol red notice though, and there's still no actual evidence he was here.

So again, he was arrested for having false documents, and despite the Zimbabwean police apparently contacting the gardai, he was issued with an enforced deportation order to the country on the documents that were false?

Seems legit.

Was his wife arrested as well.

Amazing how an alleged triple murderer was held in remand after being arrested in Ireland and noone from the media got a photo, or a court record, or a quote from anyone involved.

All part of the conspiracy amirite.....

Yeah, that's the problem you're pointing out. "The passport thing" becomes irrelevant. The pesky aul requireent to have some sort of proof of identity.

They can destroy all proof of who they are and where they've come from. And then they can refuse to cooperate with immigration officers and still get taken in, rather than being honest and rather than helping the investigation, they lie and lie and lie. Because they are not genuine and the know they will be taken into a system which is never-ending, and they know they will eventually be granted some class of permission to remain if they keep up their brazen bullshitting for long enough.

They lie about their age or where they've come from, they feign illness, you name it. Immigration officials can find undeniable proof of who they are on their person, in their luggage, on their phones. And even if this information confirms that they have come from a safe country, even if immigration officials find evidence that they having been living in another EU country safely for years, they still get taken in to clog up our asylum system. And then they stay here appealing decisions at the expense of the Irish people. That's the problem. That's what has to stop.

These chancers needs to have their application decided at the border. i.e. refused entry to the state if they show up with no docs. Then if they have the neck to claim asylum and not make any effort to help proceedings, application decided at the border and returned. If they are found to lie about their age - refused and sent back.

We're encouraging scammers to come here. These liars are clogging up the system for genuine cases and worse still clogging up the system of child protection by lying about their ages.

There's you, lying about the red list.

Now I'll ask again, can you produce one bit of actual evidence that he was here? Actual evidence......

This is nonsense. They cannot cross check everything in the way you suggest.

If they could "easily" do all of that, it wouldn't take years to process an application and the majority of these scammers would be refused and returned to their countries immediately. They cannot hack into bank accounts in Ireland let alone a foreign country. It's quite difficult to demand financial records of an individual. And this is assuming you know the person's name. Imagine if they have no bloody name to go on.

But even as I said before, immigration officers can find proof of who they are and where theyve come from AT THE BORDER before they even ask for asylum, and even if they find proof of EU residence, they are still allowed in to clog up the system.

9,240 non-EU nationals were denied entry into Ireland last year, that was the fourth highest number of refusals in the EU.

And we rightly should have more refusals than other EU countries simply because we are an island and not in the Schengen, so people travelling here are more likely to meet border control. We have nowhere near the amount of refusals that we should have.

@Ahwell provide link to your numbers?

of all refusals most claimed asylum after being refused.

"Refusal to land does not necessarily mean that incoming travellers are refused access to the country, however."

Of the 10,226 people refused permission to land across the country in that 16-month period, 1,630 of them were returned to their point of origin, just under 16%.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41189116.html#:~:text=the%20department%20said.-,All%20told%2C%201%2C781%20people%20were%20refused%20permission%20to%20land%20at,January%202022%20and%20April%202023.

Ireland recorded the fourth highest number of refusals within the EU last year for stopping non-EU citizens trying to enter its territory.

you might have noticed I didn’t say “ you give out stink about refugees” . I know nothing of your views.

But there are plenty of people who scream loudly about refugees and also praise and promote or ignore the people who are forcing them to come to these shores.

Nigel farage for all his time and research and energy highlighting this crisis has never once mentioned or highlighted the source of this problem. Never once did I hear him attacking “that” country that’s starting all these wars causing these people to move while he absolutely eviscerates the countries that receive these people. It’s fu*king insane.

It’s absolutely frustrating that there is no aggressive political or military will in Western Europe to tackle the source of this problem in the source countries where these wars are happening and drive the Russians and their proxies back out of them and restore order. There appears no strategic grand plan only to keep drip feeding aid to Ukraine. And not provoke the Russians too much. Nobody wants to put boots on the ground and stem the tide and take the hard choice. But our countries are at serious risk of tearing themselves apart over this issue. The U.K. has already put itself in the **** over it and chosen a backwards path and still the boats come.

Big surprise - they get within a sniff of an actual sensible policy and then bottle it. None of them have the balls to actually take a stance on this.

Apparently, most burn/tear them up while on the flight. It's ridiculous, they should be sent straight back but we know why they won't.

It's mad alright. The airlines seriously need to implement tighter rules here.

Take copies of all non-EU passports and also check passports when passengers are getting off flights.

We need much bigger fines to airlines that letting people board with 1) fake documents 2) visa-required documents with no visas 3) documents that do not belong to the passenger 4) passengers that get off flights with no documents.

There are also needs to be more immigration officials meeting planes at the arrival gate from certain routes and checking passengers there.

Businesses can't get staff for shite wages you mean. A solicitor out of work for 2 weeks might go on the dole for those 2 weeks rather than trying to find a minimum wage job and that would all be included in the social welfare budget

Youre right, there's no hope there with this government. He completely diverted the conversation to Ukraine even though he was being asked about international protection. Par for the course with this crowd.

I'd like to see more journalists call them out on this and tell him in advance of the question that they are not referring to the separate shitshow that is the Temporary Protection.