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World cup 2027. Were do Ireland go?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,581 ✭✭✭Dubinusa




  • Registered Users Posts: 10,489 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    ROG is waiting for Leo to move upstairs, so he can land his dream gig



  • Registered Users Posts: 895 ✭✭✭JPCN1


    Taoiseach?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭TRC10


    If Catt is leaving who comes in?

    Munster fans won't like the answer to this question



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,545 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Predergast has to be favourite by a distance, even if he was overseas he would be

    Other option maybe Nigel Carolan at Glasgow, they have a nice attack



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    If I remember correctly on the Emerging Ireland tour last season the first choice centre partnership was 12. Moore, 13. Osborne, with the second string being 12. Forde, 13. Frisch.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    Prendergast would change the entire style of ireland.

    So, would Farrell hire him and let him do that, because that would def lead to selection going in different directions. If he doesn’t want to give Prendergast a big say in hiring, then that would be a bad call as system offensively tends to drive selection.

    Secondly, that severs the link between ireland and leinster. We currently play a system that at least shares large elements with leinster. Leinster have spent a long time optimizing all the way down to schools for certain player types in certain roles.

    Thirdly, that knocks on to hurt the cohesive element of leinster-Ireland.

    I think it will be someone who suits what ireland do now mostly.

    edit; if you are a munster fan and this happened, its bad but probably increases the amount of players in ireland camp. You basically have a ton of guys who now have intimate knowledge of how the system works that the international team plays. That makes it way easier to walk into practice and outplay someone who has spent the majority of his rugby life playing lancaster ball for leinster or lancaster ball+ for ireland.

    It would also prob make casey-crowley a cert. they both really suit prendergast’s game.

    Joe McCarthy would be amazing as well actually in that style. Let him keep adding weight.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,545 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Catt and Farrell never worked for Leinster? Paulie is from Munster. Actually Farrell worked for a while with Munster

    What link would be severed if they hired Predergast?

    If this is trying to drag in some sort of conspiracy between Ireland and Leinster it's a very poor attempt.

    FYI if you hadn't heard Lancaster left Leinster last season so nobody in Ireland will be playing "lancaster ball" or "lancaster ball+"



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    Catt could be an alien from Mars. You can just watch ireland and leinster play, and see that they have the same style. That’s changed somewhat over the last year but especially when ireland started getting better it was very pronounced.

    They basically both play a transition game based on long kicking. Prendergast plays like a french style ball possession game.

    When i mean it severs the link, you can no longer say that a Leinster winger will have an intuitive understanding on how to slot in. Also on the lancaster ball thing, we’ll see on that. That is embedded pretty deep.

    if they hire prendergast and try to implement the pure version of the system, then i don’t think it will work very well with the current squad.



  • Administrators Posts: 53,845 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I know the IRFU like to promote from within but I'd prefer the replacement for Catt come from outside the system right now. New, fresh voices are a good thing.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭ersatz


    These questions would look very different if Leinster take a dip in performance while Munster continue to improve. Leinster have a production line of players but that doesn’t guarantee success, while the other provinces are all capable of improving and contributing players to the Irish setup. I don’t think the exaggerated Leinster Ireland pipeline is a necessary component if Irish success.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,581 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I'd like to see Carolan get a look. But he's outside the system. What about Contempni?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    Argentina's attack hasn't looked too hot at the World Cup.

    What about David Knox?



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,323 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Why suggest Contemponi if you think Carolan isn't an option because he's outside the system?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭TRC10


    that severs the link between ireland and leinster.

    Struggling to see Mike Catt's links to Leinster (or any of the Irish coaching team's)

    You also must not rate Prendergast very highly as a coach if you think he's only capable of coaching one style of attack. Or, you know, sometimes teams make changes to how they play.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,581 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Because Contemponi has been in the system as recent as a year ago. I'd like either. But I would guess that it will be Rennie or a kiwi.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,581 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Is it confirmed about Catt?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭ScissorPaperRock


    Doesn't seem to be. Also a bit conspicuous that ROC didn't mention it on the Left Wing podcast this week.



  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭jonok28


    The IRFU are going to take a look at the coaching ticket top to bottom and see what changes need to be made in order to push the Irish team to even further heights moving forward.

    If Mike Catt is indeed leaving, which would be a terrible shame as he has been immense in his role, I can see the IRFU reaching out to Andrew Goodman from Leinster. With Jacques Nienaber coming in, I can see Nienaber wanting to bring in a different attacking coach (with Leo's blessing)to Leinster to fully execute the brand of Rugby he wants Leinster to play. Goodman has done a great job with Leinster and with a large number of Leinster players in the squad, it would be a relatively hand in glove fit for Ireland.

    I can see the IRFU moving on from John Fogarty who might go back to Leinster.

    With Scott Robertson taking over the All-Blacks job and him expecting to overhaul the coaching staff, Ireland should try get Greg Feek back into the set up as the Scrum Coach. Farrell and Feek worked together under Schmidt, He turned the Irish scrum from a weakness to a strength in the past and I think he could do it again.

    I think they keep Paul O'Connell as a forwards/Lineout coach for the moment but I can see them wanting to bring in someone like Jerry Flannery in the future to add some added experience to the Irish ticket alongside O'Connell



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    You would hire one of the absolute best coaches in the world at one offensive style and ask him to play what we have going on right now?

    Hire people who are really good at things and let them do it would be a better strategy imo. So, if you went with him, let him run his system.

    Or if you want someone who is more closely related to what we do now, hire someone who is good at that. This isn’t that complicated.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,581 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I can't see to many changes. I would say that O'Connell is in jeopardy. Rightly so. There's little point of too many changes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭TRC10


    Well one of the points I made initially was why couldn't Ireland change the way they attack? Ireland are going to need to evolve over the next 4 years anyway, as rugby will inevitably evolve. Munster's game really isn't vastly different to Ireland's anyway. Both are based on high skill level across the park, link play between forwards and backs, fast ruck ball and breaking teams down over lots of phases.

    And if Prendergast was one of the best attack coaches in the world as you say, he'd surely be able to make tweaks to his structures to fit in with Irelands philosophy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    I agree that they could change. That would be interesting. I just think we would be surprisingly bad or mediocre in the transition because a lot of our players wouldn’t be ideal for his system.

    The similarities are there but to me they are kind of superficial. The kick strategy would be different. The underlying philosophy is different. The whole point of how munster play is ‘we are willing to hold onto the ball’. With ireland, we can do that but generally only in very specific areas and we will tend to not want go into a really high amount of phases. To make this more simple, Munster’s philosophy is based on holding onto the ball. Ireland (and leinster, and connacht) is based on kicking and then reacting to that. That’s not a value judgement, there’s no such thing as the ‘right’ strategy but to me that’s just the way it is.

    I think those two things are harder to marry together than you think. I also think that clear underlying philosophies are really important.

    You could see a bit of that in the NZ game. We kicked way less in that game than usual and imo that was one of the reasons we lost. We got knocked off our underlying philosophy and it hurt us.

    Although one point in your favour is that i will say ireland did trend more towards ball possession over the last year.





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