Is Paddy Cosgrove the biggest wanker in Ireland?

You said Israel have not been charged with war crimes, I asked you to show where Hamas where.

If Israel has not been charged and so are innocent of the allegations, then so too are Hamas surely?

The fact is Israel have previously broken international law in the eyes of those who uphold International Law. Guess who abstained on that motion?

Mary Lou thread somewhere else thaddaway if you want to continue discussing her.

Do you believe all war crimes should be treated equally?

Yes or no?

Everyone has now watched the video and drew their own conclusions from it as to who is responsible.

You say I am making assumptions, you present a completely different narrative on what Mary Lou said to everyone else who read it, you "assume" what she meant and even try to imply that the transcriber may be presenting it incorrectly as a defense, you used to be so much better at this Francie.

Paddy Cosgrove may lose his title. Allegedly.

FRANCIE. "And I never said diddly about the transcriber being incorrect. I said you didn’t seem to realise that she didn’t arrange it in paragraphs."

CRAZYERIC " you "assume" what she meant and even try to imply that the transcriber may be presenting it incorrectly as a defense

Read carefully Francie. If you cannot understand what I said don't try and put spin on it, which is exactly what you were doing with Mary Lou's speech. I called you out for splitting the paragraph to try and make it appear that she said something different. Her point about the hospital is bang smack in the middle of the paragraph. Not at the end. you are starting to twist and turn so much you are falling over yourself.

I don't need to do better, this is too easy.

She spoke in sentences with points.

I quoted the sentences and points.

If she was blaming Israel she would have said it exactly as she had no problem blaming them by name for destroying the medical infrastructure.

She referenced the hospital bombing to make the point that ‘nowhere is safe in Gaza’.

If you have to infer she said something you are losing.

Good luck, only repeating ourselves here.

. No conspiracy my paranoid fellow poster.

Thread is all yours. Say what you want.

IBM are gone now as well., following the lead of Google, Meta, Stripe, Siemens, Amazon, Intel etc.

The ethics of basing a web summit in Qatar are extremely questionable - especially by Cosgrove, who has slagged off our government here as being very corrupted. He has forgotten the same government here got him on his feet in the early days with taxpayer funding of over half a million for his web summit back in 2009 as far as I remember.

I would say Cosgrove is not only the biggest wanker in Ireland, he has to be the biggest in Europe at this stage too.

You have identified the big issue in your last paragraph.

It is impossible to discern a difference between Clown Paddy's worldviews and those of Sinn Fein. Looking at how the multinationals have run a mile from Paddy, why on earth would we elect a Sinn Fein government?

The most idiotic of claims around Hamas and Israel is that they should be treated the same. Clown Paddy has been at the heart of this claim and it shows a complete ignorance of international law.

State actors: They bear the legal right to use force and military power according to their wishes.

Non-state actors: They have no legal right to use military force and power as per their will, unlike the state actors.

In Ireland, we have a cohort who still try to justify the actions of the PIRA and they continuously fail to understand this distinction. By using violence, Hamas are de facto and de jure in breach of international law and are committing war crimes. For Israel, the situation is much more nuanced and tied in with the rights of a state to defend itself. How this repeatedly needs to be explained is beyond me.

Apologies, it is the more common variant in these parts. Hadn't realised I was doing that.

Have Google, Meta, Stripe, Siemens, Amazon, Intel, IBM - the multinationals which suddenly ran a mile from Cosgrave's web summit because of his political utterances - announced any new jobs in Ireland recently, and if and when worldwide cut-backs are needed, will they be as quick to boycott Mary Lou and Michael D as they were to boycott Cosgrave? Would be surprised if not. Even you have hinted "multinationals are the problem". Not too long ago the military wing of SF were murdering and kidnapping foreign industrialists. Not everyone remembers that. I do.

Why would'nt at least some of the multinationals go to a country which is at least not perceived as being the most hostile in the western world to Israel? Would they support a government with Mary Lou / S.F. in charge - the same Mary Lou and SF who very much support the Palestinians? Who is it again who has praised Hamas in the past? Which party met Hamas and said they must NOT be demonised?

When you are in a hole Francie, stop digging.

The multinationals say left the web summit because of political utterances from Cosgrave, and because they did not want to support him financially or by being there.

If your comrade Mary Lou was in government - and do not forget the S.F. Party has in the past met with key figures including the then-overall leader Khaled Mashal, and S.F. said Hamas must "not be demonised or excluded", do you not really think at least multinationals would want to distance them selves at least a bit from Mary Lou and her Palestinian flags?

After all, the SF party are more extreme than anything Paddy Cosgrove said or done? Poor old Paddy probably never met Hamas, and even if he did would probably never have said afterwards they must not be demonised.

Imagine a "party" saying those who kidnap and disappear others must not be demonised?

Wonder what the multinationals and the 222 Israeli hostages currently in Gaza would think of that?

If Intel is your best example, you are seriously deluded, just as your fellow SF supporter Cosgrave was deluded before he made his comments on the middle east conflict, - when he thought what he was saying would not go down badly in the boardrooms of Google, Meta, Siemens, IBM, VW, Intel, Stripe etc.

In March, Intel announced a 17 billion euro ($18.7 billion) investment to open a new chip fab in Germany, an R&D and design center in France and back-end production facilities in Spain, Ireland, Italy and Poland. Ireland is not the only European country Intel can or does invest in. Like you, Cosgrave thought the multinationals would not drop him - they did. And very very quickly. Like a hot potato.

Even if Ireland lost 50% of new investment, and 50% of the multinationals dropped supporting pro-Hamas regimes / politicians here (looking at SF, who said Hamas must not be demonised) as quickly as they dropped relatively neutral commentators like Cosgrove, would that not be an awful blow for the country?

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You do know what 'multinational means yeh?

And if you are going to quote somebody, quote them correctly because otherwise you might be accused of fabricating quotes again. Here is what SF said:

Might be too late then though. As Paddy Cosgrove found out to his cost, multi-nationals do not mess around. And unlike SF, poor old Paddy had not even (as far as I know) Palestinian flags on his website. SF still does, and tonnes of anti-Israeli propaganda on it An Phoblocht, linked on the SF website.

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The day we see multinationals eschew profit for a moral political standpoint will be quite something.

I briefly worked for one huge and famous one back in the day. Our heads were filled almost daily about their commitment to us and Ireland and all our futures together and work harder to achieve our collective goals and other US style corporate spiels.

Soon as Eastern Europe waved at them with some EU incentives (greenbacks they are called in the US) they were gone and it was f* everyone here.

I am spending some of the entitlements I earned with them in my retirement Francis.

You still haven't come up with an example of a multinational pulling out of a country because of the politics of the government there.

How for instance do you explain multinationals investing hugely in China? Or RUssia before it fell foul of International Law as Israel and Hamas have been accused of doing?

You can't of course.

The only credible reason is the one I posted, multi-nationals pulled out of the Web Summit because Cosgrave involved them at a tech-industry level in geo-politics, something they all believe damages their brand.

Fact is again, if Leo, the President or SF want to criticise a country the multinational will stay 'neutral' on that. As they did in Russia, when there, China, India and any other diverse country they are trading in.

The scaremongering hasn't worked up to now and won't work IMO.

You have identified many of the concerns that ordinary people have about a Sinn Fein government.

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1. How does their (the multinationals ) investment in what you call " even in countries that 'many Americans' think orchestrated and trained the 9-11 bombers." compare to investment in friendlier countries?
2. How much manufacturing, corporation tax etc is paid by American companies in those countries? And per head of population?
3. Do you think Cosgrave, in making comments which he possibly thought were neutral but which the multinationals perceived to be anti-Israeli, got an awful shock when so many multinationals suddenly boycotted and withdrew from the Web Summit because of his comments? (We can assume he did, because he gave such a grovelling apology and resigned....but too late, the likes of Google, Intel, Siemens, VW, IBM, Meta, Stripe etc do not suffer fools gladly, be they Cosgrave, Higgins or Adams (who met Hamas etc, flies the Palestinian flag etc - much more than Cosgrove ever did).

You said "Hamas and Israel operate in the same way." It seems you not only do not know much about Paddy Cosgrave ( which you admit) but also about Hamas / Israel.

Hamas is a terrorist organization, and is seen and defined as such by both the EU and USA. In its recent invasion in to Israel it murdered, beheaded, raped minors in front of families, burnt babies , beheaded people etc, and kidnapped 222 people.

Israel, though not perfect, (what country is?) is the most democratic country in the middle east. Hamas wants to wipe it off the earth. Go figure.

5000 dead already,

222 children in 24 hours.

Israel, 'not perfect'?????

In Lebanon I believe every citizen has a vote. In Israel 5 million Palestinians dont have a vote in the Israeli parliament. As Palestine is not independent then they should have representation in the Israeli parliament.